New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

JoeMorgue said:
Because that sort of blatant, not even trying to hide it "Whataboutism" is beneath you and not how you normally act.

You don't either play or tolerate "But the other side did..." in non-political threads. It's odd to see you so casually and comfortably use it here.
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But the other side said "but the other side said".

It's a slippery slope to be sure.
 
smartcooky said:
If Dr Christine Blasey Ford had accused and named a couple of black men of doing what she accused Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge of doing, those black men would already be convicted and in prison based only on her testimony.
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So?

Surely not reason to convict these white boys, right? We all agree that (1)
skin color is irrelevant and (2) you aren't guilty just because it evens the score.

I'll repeat: I'm not a fan of Kavanaugh. I also don't think that there's conclusive evidence that he attempted to rape Ford. Maybe enough to prevent his nomination, not sure about that, but no where near beyond reasonable doubt so far.
 
The Big Dog said:
Didn't read the summary or understand the fact that Ford's advisors were trying to get one actual witness to change her statement, and the contemporaneous ones? Did not corroborate.

Read the summary
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You do understand that the summary you posted a link to is NOT a summary of the FBI investigation, right?
 
I swear since I've started making a big deal about Whataboutism more and more people seem to have taken away the moral that what they should be doing is making sure the other side isn't getting away with more Whataboutism they they are.
 
smartcooky said:
You do understand that the summary you posted a link to is NOT a summary of the FBI investigation, right?
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You do understand that I clearly said what it was and THEN you replied

Its pretty easy to come up with "no corroboration" when you

a. deliberately don't look for corroboration, and

b. ignore dozens of people who say they have corroborating statements to make
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Despite the fact that they went above and beyond the call.

I've seen the Ford witnesses that she complains about, they are garbage.

we know that Ford's team tried to manipulate Leland.

the whole thing stinks. and has stunk for a long time. ford won't even turn over the evidence she claims supports her.

Stick a fork in her, she done.
 
Forget it.

Collins just said that Planned Parenthood v. Casey reaffirmed Roe v. Wade, so I think it's safe to say she'll vote to confirm. The Republicans have the votes. Kavanaugh will be seated.


(Reposted from the Lessons Learned thread because it fits better here.)
 
Now Collins is going with the 'Ford is sincere but mistaken' excuse to dismiss her.

Collins thinks people at the party who couldn't remember the incident is proof it didn't happen even though Ford, like a large number of victims don't tell anyone.
 
theprestige said:
I would say it's more of a special pleading thing. That thread ran for two months without exciting your disapproval. Why is the behavior suddenly worth objecting to now?
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Oh, I'm sorry. Should I participate in every thread here, and address all posts?

This whole issue is making people say insane things.




For the record I have said that calling Trump names is silly. I guess that didn't fit your narrative.
 
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Loss Leader said:
Forget it.

Collins just said that Planned Parenthood v. Casey reaffirmed Roe v. Wade, so I think it's safe to say she'll vote to confirm. The Republicans have the votes. Kavanaugh will be seated.


(Reposted from the Lessons Learned thread because it fits better here.)
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I noticed a lot of her testimony was "Kavanaugh assured her".

Now after using the rationale that no one corroborated Ford's story she's describing friends who told her about their being assaulted, something Collins never knew. The irony sucks.
 
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phiwum said:
Until I doublechecked who wrote the above, I had honestly assumed it was one of our liberal fellows. Instead, it's a gloating and unapologetic so-called conservative.

(I say so-called because Trump isn't a conservative, though Kavanaugh is probably so.)

Still, good for you, ThePrestige. It's all a game, right? And when the other side wins, no matter. Just a game.
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Slow your roll, neighbor. It's not a game, it's a metaphor.

There's a recurring theme in my thoughts about the current state of partisan politics. It seems like progressives generally expect me to genuflect for their tolerance, while also making it clear that they will never actually tolerate me.

"I can't trust or respect you, because you voted for Donald Trump."

Oh honey, you convinced me that you wouldn't trust or respect me no matter what I did, long before Trump came along.

"Kavanaugh should withdraw, otherwise he'll defile the Court."

Oh honey, you convinced me long ago that any conservative justice would defile the Court in your eyes.

Why should Kavanaugh kowtow to your demands to do the "right" thing, when you've made it clear that you have nothing of value to offer in return?

ETA: The rhetorical you, not you personally, phiwum. I know that individuals vary widely on this. I'm referring more to the overall tone of the discourse.
 
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Loss Leader said:
Forget it.

Collins just said that Planned Parenthood v. Casey reaffirmed Roe v. Wade, so I think it's safe to say she'll vote to confirm. The Republicans have the votes. Kavanaugh will be seated.


(Reposted from the Lessons Learned thread because it fits better here.)
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That was never really a question. It's nothing but a power play now. Maybe it's time to purge the whole system and start over.
 
theprestige said:
I would say it's more of a special pleading thing. That thread ran for two months without exciting your disapproval. Why is the behavior suddenly worth objecting to now?
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Was Belz even around when most of that thread happened? Or was it during his break?
 
phiwum said:
So?

Surely not reason to convict these white boys, right? We all agree that (1)
skin color is irrelevant and (2) you aren't guilty just because it evens the score.

I'll repeat: I'm not a fan of Kavanaugh. I also don't think that there's conclusive evidence that he attempted to rape Ford. Maybe enough to prevent his nomination, not sure about that, but no where near beyond reasonable doubt so far.
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My point is that, if Kavanaugh wasn't who he is, these allegations would have been properly investigated. Dr Ford has made serious criminal allegations against Kavanaugh and Judge; anyone else would have been subject to a criminal investigation, but entitled ex-frat boy pals of the Right are immune.

A proper investigation means, at an absolute minimum...

1. All of the witnesses mentions by Dr. Ford are interviewed by FBI Special Agents in an interview room

2. Kavanaugh and Judge are interviewed by FBI Special Agents in an interview room, under caution (Miranda)

3. Dr Ford is interviewed by FBI Special Agents in an interview room

4. EVERYONE who has offered to be interviewed is actually interviewed, not ignored.

5. An effort is made to find the house referred to by Dr. Ford.

6. Ford's claim that she saw Judge at the Safeway is investigated for its veracity.

7. Kavanaugh's calender is taken as evidence and forensically examined for age and recent alterations.

Of the seven item I have listed above, only No. 1 was done.

The FBI "investigation" was a sham, deliberately hog-tied and directed only to find what Grassley, and the other Old White Blind Men wanted found.
 
The Big Dog said:
You do understand that I clearly said what it was and THEN you replied
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Pretty disingenuous of you to NOT quote my whole post... you left out

"The so-called FBI investigation was a sham. They were never going to come up with anything when they were handcuffed and blindfolded from the outset, and then pushed down a narrow tunnel,"
 
Oh please. Nobody's gonna revolt.

This isn't anger, it's outrage. There's a difference.
 
smartcooky said:
My point is that, if Kavanaugh wasn't who he is, these allegations would have been properly investigated. Dr Ford has made serious criminal allegations against Kavanaugh and Judge; anyone else would have been subject to a criminal investigation, but entitled ex-frat boy pals of the Right are immune.

A proper investigation means, at an absolute minimum...

1. All of the witnesses mentions by Dr. Ford are interviewed by FBI Special Agents in an interview room

2. Kavanaugh and Judge are interviewed by FBI Special Agents in an interview room, under caution (Miranda)

3. Dr Ford is interviewed by FBI Special Agents in an interview room

4. EVERYONE who has offered to be interviewed is actually interviewed, not ignored.

5. An effort is made to find the house referred to by Dr. Ford.

6. Ford's claim that she saw Judge at the Safeway is investigated for its veracity.

7. Kavanaugh's calender is taken as evidence and forensically examined for age and recent alterations.

Of the seven item I have listed above, only No. 1 was done.

The FBI "investigation" was a sham, deliberately hog-tied and directed only to find what Grassley, and the other Old White Blind Men wanted found.
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I gotta break it to you, the FBI was not investigating a crime, you know that right. In your heart of hearts, right? There is no federal jurisdiction over Ford's claims, which is time barred in any event.

You know how this really would have in went?

FBI: what happened?
Ford: In the early 80's...
FBI: Did you tell the local pd?
Ford: No.
FBI: do so cause we can't help you.

For Pete's sake, I am surprised I have to explain these simple facts time after time.

The FBI should do "ink carbon dating on his calendar"!

oy vey...
 
theprestige said:
Slow your roll, neighbor. It's not a game, it's a metaphor.

There's a recurring theme in my thoughts about the current state of partisan politics. It seems like progressives generally expect me to genuflect for their tolerance, while also making it clear that they will never actually tolerate me.

"I can't trust or respect you, because you voted for Donald Trump."

Oh honey, you convinced me that you wouldn't trust or respect me no matter what I did, long before Trump came along.

"Kavanaugh should withdraw, otherwise he'll defile the Court."

Oh honey, you convinced me long ago that any conservative justice would defile the Court in your eyes.

Why should Kavanaugh kowtow to your demands to do the "right" thing, when you've made it clear that you have nothing of value to offer in return?

ETA: The rhetorical you, not you personally, phiwum. I know that individuals vary widely on this. I'm referring more to the overall tone of the discourse.
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Most people do the right thing because they are reasonable adults with moral and ethical principles. YMMV

Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled whining about how liberals are mean and that excuses whatever bad behavior conservatives feel entitled to indulge in.
 
Manchin a yes, Collins a yes:

Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Brett Kavanaugh!

GREAT DAY! #MAGA!
 
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