The Behavior of UK Police officers.

[abaddon]

It seems the ISF is the only link to "14,202,597 mosques in the UK"

Yes, I too investigoogled the idiotic claim.

It is utter nonsense. It just adds to the nonsense about "no-go" areas, 450,000 muslim immigrants this year alone, Sharia being implemented, etc all the while posting from an american ghetto.

Takes all sorts I guess, but nobody has to take all of the liquorice mix seriously.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If there's a lesson here, it's that when you keep being told your notions about another country are far removed from the reality seen by people who actually live there, using hyperbole isn't a great idea as people can't tell you're deliberately exaggerating for effect this time instead of just being massively wrong.

 

[3point14]

If there's a lesson here, it's that when you keep being told your notions about another country are far removed from the reality seen by people who actually live there, using hyperbole isn't a great idea as people can't tell you're deliberately exaggerating for effect this time instead of just being massively wrong.

When one gathers ones 'news' from Fox, an organisation that earnestly compared Denmark to Venezuela, it's not really surprising that a side effect is a willingness to believe any old tosh and a lack of ability to investigate oneself.

 

[Mojo]

Just how ignorant of British History you are. London (and England) has had a long history of refugees, the area now occupied by Bangladeshis was first Huguenot, then Jewish. London at the time of the foundation of the police was having problems with revolutionaries and terrorists. (Including Irish refugees due to the great hunger.) shortly after Peel the creator of the police was prime minister the son of an East European Jewish refugee became prime minister Benjamin Disraeli. The first asian / Indian MP was elected in Victorian times. Although you may think that Victorian England was homogenous, and 'christian'; a clearly semitic (though irreligious) man could become the leader of the free world (which what the British PM was I guess at that time), a non -christian overtly Indian man could be elected to parliament, - of course not even a white christian woman could be elected.

And not forgetting that in the 19th century there actually were no-go areas in London, for example the “rookeries” in St Giles, Clerkenwell, Southwark, and the East End.

 

[MikeG]

If there's a lesson here, it's that when you keep being told your notions about another country are far removed from the reality seen by people who actually live there, using hyperbole isn't a great idea as people can't tell you're deliberately exaggerating for effect this time instead of just being even more massively wrong than usual.

FTFY.

 

[kayle]

oh, you maybe meant 1,202.597. that could be true there is one built to 0.597

 

[jimbob]

That's almost exactly what I was going to post.

Except that I was going to say that I have more in common with educated, intelligent, tolerant Muslims than with people like Baylor.

Ah, you'd probably have spelled homogeneous correctly.

I'd have written it correctly, but typing - it's probably evens...

I scolded you upthread for your apathy and made astute points on why Muslim interests conflict with yours and your children. You feign indignation over third world brown children that Trump allegedly locks in cages and you don't bat an eye over the thousands and thousands of girls who were raped in your own country. Learn to assert yourself. Draw a line in the sand. This is not how men act.

You mean this post?

Indeed, which my kids noticed when pretty young at secondary school - their (rural) current/former is school very ethnically homogeneous, and they said that was a lot of ill-informed fear of all immigrants by certain groups of more insular families in the area.

A lot are farmers who voted for Brexit, and are starting to worry that wasn't very sensible.

It's pretty hard to think of Muslims as particularly scary when you have colleagues who might pray five times a day, but also have photos of their kids by their desks, and eat lunch with you most days (except during Ramadan)

I'm getting tired of the "apathy is a virtue" sermon. Even the "good muslims" demand political representation. They bring their style of politics into your country. Democracy can't work in a "multicultural" society as it just becomes a racial head count. Labour will continue to bend over backwards to get the "oppressed minorities" vote while disaffected whites will vote Tory but will quickly learn Tories don't have the backbone to stick up for white interestes.



So sorry, I know you've been heavily conditioned but being apathetic about bringing people into your country en masse who want to usurp your way of life is not virtuous. It is not noble. It is not something to admire. You have every right to defend your political interests, your way of life.

I'm not apathetic about immigration - I have very firm views as to the benefits. As I pointed out, like many British people with (as far as I can tell, and frankly I'm not that interested) Northern European ancestry, I have Muslim friends.

It is not apathy to point out that the people who are most scared of Muslims are those who have little contact with them - for example the very homogeneous rural areas where my kids went to school.

The highlighted part - the Muslims I know don't want to usurp my way of life. Remember there is a longer history of tolerance within Islam than in Christianity. There are obviously radical Muslims, but then there are radical bigots who also want to usurp my way of life and hurt my non-white friends.

 

[jimbob]

Not at all. You people are obsessed with "gotchas." Like that picture of the police officer kowtowing to Muslims in one of the 14,202,597 mosques in the UK, somehow disproves my claim that police don't usually go to Muslim neighborhoods.

You mean this photo - here is the original with context:

Muslim Police Association Iftar by Greater Manchester Police, on Flickr

Muslim Police Association Iftar
The Chief Constable is presented with a copy of the Holy Quran.


Greater Manchester’s Muslim Police Association held its annual Iftar event yesterday, Thursday 24 June 2016.


The event, which sees the end of a day’s fasting during the month of Ramadan, was held this year at the European Islamic Centre in Oldham.


Members of the association were joined by non-Muslim colleagues and members of the centre.


The Force’s Chief Constable Ian Hopkins was guest of honour and spoke after the conclusion of the evening prayers.

​

I don't think that it is "kowtowing" for the GMP Chief Constable to be guest of honour at an event run by people who have all taken the following oath:

I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.

It is a demonstration that the Chief Constable values his Muslim colleagues, and an affirmation that recent high-profile terrorist acts are not representative of the wider Muslim population.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Hat's off to everyone who is fielding this bigoted Gish Gallop.

For the record, the glw and I walked down Brick Lane less than three weeks ago and went to one of the pubs a stone's throw away. Not a hint of the tension that the OP described in the OP's wank fantasy

 

[jimbob]

I presume for the purpose of this thread, the 'no go zones' are defined as no go zones for the police. I can list plenty of no go zones for 12 year old girls, most of them having a kebab house on every corner, but for the police I offer you... traveller sites. Some of these are genuine police no go zones and I have heard many accounts of the police refusing to chase criminals onto sites, recover stolen property from sites or indeed enforce the law in any meaningful way. There was a story not long ago about someone being shot at from a traveller site, with a similar refusal to act by the police. A woman local to where I used to live had the contents of her farm repeatedly robbed by pikeys, who would turn up with axes and lump hammers and take what they wanted, and the police repeatedly refused to act. When she herself armed herself with a legally held shot gun and called the police, the police turned up... and arrested her.

Good to know your views are of that same violent, racist ilk.

You do realise that "pikey" is also a racist term?

 

[Baylor]

When one gathers ones 'news' from Fox, an organisation that earnestly compared Denmark to Venezuela, it's not really surprising that a side effect is a willingness to believe any old tosh and a lack of ability to investigate oneself.

Stereotypes are racist and evil. But it's okay when I do it.

 

[Baylor]

No, that is an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Our children are no more at risk from having foreigners here than if there were no foreigners here. Rape happens everywhere.

Yes they are. Because your government is too scared to compile data on race and crime doesn't change the facts.

The statistics published in our quarterly publication 'Crime in England and Wales' are based on victims and do not cover the characteristics of offenders. Therefore we are unable to provide an ethnic breakdown of the offenders associated with the crimes covered by our report ‘Crime in England and Wales: year ending March 2017’.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...omofinformationfoi/crimescommittedbyethnicity

Just keep your head buried in the sand. Pathetic.

That means there are rapists everywhere.

Killings happen everywhere but Brits here have a bizarre fascination when US police officers do it.

 

[Jim_MDP]

I'm starting to put together a mental image of this, new to me, term... "planet sausage".



eta: NItpik... should that be a proper name "Sausage"? [emoji14]

 

[Baylor]

the Muslims I know don't want to usurp my way of life.

 

[fagin]

Yes they are.



Killings happen everywhere but Brits here have a bizarre fascination when US police officers do it.

Yep, because it always seems a bit strange when they kill unarmed people. Go figure.
But I suppose it must be quite scary living in a lawless ******** like Spokane.

 

[fagin]

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/vUJugtI.gif[/qimg]

If you are going to argue by random gif, could you at least add some context so you don't just come across as (more) of a blithering idiot.

 

[Mojo]

Hat's off to everyone who is fielding this bigoted Gish Gallop.

For the record, the glw and I walked down Brick Lane less than three weeks ago and went to one of the pubs a stone's throw away.

The Pride of Spitalfields?

 

[arthwollipot]

Yeah, I hear that a lot. I know you guys love the "Britain has always been multicultural! Therefore there's nothing to worry about when we import another 450,000 Muslims immigrants this year!" I'm American dude, so believe me when I say you ain't seen nothing yet.

By most measures, both Australia and Canada are more culturally diverse than the United States. And we're obviously in terrible shape.

 

[Babbylonian]

By most measures, both Australia and Canada are more culturally diverse than the United States. And we're obviously in terrible shape.

By most measures, Americans are far better off (and safer) than they were 50 years ago, too. The whole idea that diversity and immigration (legal or not) are ruining America is just a flat-out lie propagated by irrational white people and the evil scum that want their votes at any cost.

 

[arthwollipot]

By most measures, Americans are far better off (and safer) than they were 50 years ago, too. The whole idea that diversity and immigration (legal or not) are ruining America is just a flat-out lie propagated by irrational white people and the evil scum that want their votes at any cost.

I know. We were the ones who gave Trump the idea to lock up refugees, remember?