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Well, this politcal cartoon sure is spot on.

This topic has ruined the google results for "alumnius" so I have no idea why there is an "i" in it.
 
This gang weren't prep school nerds; they were prep school slackers. Alumnius is wrong.
 
Ziggurat said:
You can't resist, can you? You can't actually engage in my argument without constructing the most ridiculous straw man ad hominem caricature of me you can think of. I clearly want rapists to get away with rape because I want allegations to be supported by actual evidence. I don't think there's a smilie strong enough to express my utter disdain at the complete lack of reason or reasonableness in your accusation. What a bitter, small, withered and resentful world you must inhabit.
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I can take a woman's word that she absolutely knows who raped her, or attempted to rape her as, you know, EVIDENCE. I expressly WILL take her at her word,

1. When she has absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose by coming forward, especially when she is a successful, well paid, professional person who I consider to be of unimpeachable integrity.

2. When, under oath, she reaffirms that allegation, publicly, in a room full of nasty and hostile old white men, in front of millions of people watching live on TV, and does so with dignity and without anger or emotional ranting.

3. When, under oath, she does so, even after she and her family have received death-threats if she doesn't shut up.

4. When, under oath, in reply to direct questioning as to how sure she was of who attempted to rape her, she states "100 percent"!

Further,

I understand (and I hope that you do as well) that it is very common for people who suffer such physical, emotional and psychological trauma to be 100% sure on some important details, and yet be very sketchy on other, minor details. I understand this, because when I was about 15 or 16, at high-school, I got beaten up in a classroom by two older students. The reason that happened is because I refused to "hold" one of the students' drug stash in my school bag (so that he didn't get caught with it).

- I don't remember the details of the beating, except that it resulted in a cracked jaw, a black eye and broken ribs.
- I don't remember the exact year (1970 or 71 was most likely),
- I don't remember what time of year it was.
- I know it was a classroom but I couldn't tell you which one, or even which block it was in.
- I can't tell you exactly what I did in the hours before or after the beating
- I can't tell you how I got to school or home that day (on fine days I would bike, on rainy days I took the bus).
- I can't remember if there were others in the classroom.

BUT, I can sure as hell can tell you EXACTLY who the students were. Their names and what they looked like is burned into my brain such that I will never, ever forget - it was over 50 years ago but I will remember these two details until the day I die! This is one of the reasons it really pisses me of when people like you, and TBD and the prestige either mock or dismiss out-of hand, such claims because the claimant does not remember details surrounding their trauma. I think we can all relate to some personal traumatic experience in our past where some details are crystal clear, and other details are not.

I KNOW that the fact that Dr Ford cannot remember the exact time or place or many of the surrounding details is utterly irrelevant to the veracity and truthfulness of her claims, and that this is perfectly normal.

Also, I understand (and I hope that you do as well) that it is very common for victims of sexual abuse and other physical, emotional and psychological trauma, to not report what happened to them to anyone else; sometimes until years later, in many cases, never. Between a quarter and a third of rapes go totally unreported. The figure is even lower for sexual assault and attempted rape... less than 10% are reported. I never reported what happened to me, and I refused to tell my parents who did it (for fear of getting another beating from those two students).

Think about this for a moment. Add up all the women in your life; all the women you know or encounter on a daily basis; your doctor's receptionist, the checkout girls at the local supermarket, your next door neighbour, your daughter, your wife, your sister, your extended family, the families of people you associate with, your children's school teachers, your work colleagues or employees, your customers, or the customers/clients where you work, all the girls you knew at school, high school, college/university....pull out all your class photos and look at them - count up all the girls in them. (for me, this total exercise came to almost 500 women) NOW understand this... depending on your total, about five of them will have been the victims of at least sexual assault, and of those five, three or four of them will have never reported it to an authority of any kind. These are people YOU knew, or know, however peripherally that might be. Its a sobering thought, isn't it?
 
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theprestige said:
Ford's has no independent corroboration for her claim against Kavanaugh. Therefore, its strength must rest entirely on her credibility as an accuser. I don't see how she can expect her claim to be taken seriously, without an examination of her credibility.
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Except for these - that we know of:
Kavanaugh's calendar - July 1 entry.
Judge
others not followed up by FBI - yet.

Therefore your therefore is completely without credibility.
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smartcooky said:
- I don't remember the details of the beating, except that it resulted in a cracked jaw, a black eye and broken ribs.
- I don't remember the exact year (1970 or 71 was most likely),
- I don't remember what time of year it was.
- I know it was a classroom but I couldn't tell you which one, or even which block it was in.
- I can't tell you exactly what I did in the hours before or after the beating
- I can't tell you how I got to school or home that day (on fine days I would bike, on rainy days I took the bus).
- I can't remember if there were others in the classroom.

BUT, I can sure as hell can tell you EXACTLY who the students were. Their names and what they looked like is burned into my brain such that I will never, ever forget
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That's veeeery convenient! I think you're being paid to say this.
 
Jamie Roche, Kav's Yale freshman roommate, says that Kav lied about the extent of his drinking and the meaning of the yearbook words. He saw Kav many times falling down drunk to the point of vomiting and being incoherent. He heard Kav and his friends use the yearbook terms in a sexual way that was disrespectful to women. He said Kav's definitions would not work in the way they used them.
He also said that he has never been contacted by the FBI, never interviewed by them...not even this week. This lends me to believe that the "investigation" was not the free rein Trump and the WH claim is is. Who wouldn't interview the freaking ROOMMATE?
 
Here's an interesting thing -
When the prosecutor from Arizona got to the July calendar entry is exactly when Lindsey Graham had his conniption fit and ended the questioning.

Beers, week night party, list of attendees, and a date that is consistent with Ford's testimony - sure looks like ripe ground for further investigation, and Graham made sure to put a stop to that.
 
Belz... said:
That's veeeery convenient! I think you're being paid to say this.
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What a load of... *** ding dong *** hang on, that's the doorbell, I'll be right back....






























... that was DHL with a delivery. Looks likes the cheque from the Democrats just arrived.

But seriously, I did get beaten up at school, for that reason, and I don't remember many of the details.....but those two bastards I will never, ever forget.

I'm sure everyone can relate a similar story of some traumatic experience where some details are sharp and others are hazy.
 
fishbob said:
Here's an interesting thing -
When the prosecutor from Arizona got to the July calendar entry is exactly when Lindsey Graham had his conniption fit and ended the questioning.

Beers, week night party, list of attendees, and a date that is consistent with Ford's testimony - sure looks like ripe ground for further investigation, and Graham made sure to put a stop to that.
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That calendar gives a get together at Timmy's house where the boys named by Ford were. The FBI should have gone to Timmy's old house and determined if it matches Ford's description. (narrow stairs up to bathroom directly across from the bedroom)
 
smartcooky said:
But seriously, I did get beaten up at school, for that reason, and I don't remember many of the details.....but those two bastards I will never, ever forget.

I'm sure everyone can relate a similar story of some traumatic experience where some details are sharp and others are hazy.
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That makes me wonder from time to time. Are these non-penetrative sexual assaults like groping and grabbing really as or more serious than young men getting beat up by other men? Do they feel that much more violated?

Honest question I wonder about, cause I'm quite small and I've had my fair share of being bullied as a middle schooler. Does our being able to fight back physically make it less serious or what. Men are expected to be able to but of course when it's not at parity or our mindset isn't alike it's difficult to fight back.

I mean it's common to share stories like this while hanging around the campfire or bar but surely it must be traumatizing on that same level to be physically assaulted.

It's probably the sex part that riles people up, cause people are still very much on their guard about it, for good reason.
 
Belz... said:
That's veeeery convenient! I think you're being paid to say this.
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Only if there's a picture of him with some other people around him who just happen to have posed for the picture in a way that just happens to recreate a painting.
 
Ziggurat said:
You can't resist, can you? You can't actually engage in my argument without constructing the most ridiculous straw man ad hominem caricature of me you can think of. I clearly want rapists to get away with rape because I want allegations to be supported by actual evidence. I don't think there's a smilie strong enough to express my utter disdain at the complete lack of reason or reasonableness in your accusation. What a bitter, small, withered and resentful world you must inhabit.
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Of course it's not about proving anything as it's not a trial.

However, who ever ends up getting picked, and apparently there's a long list of potential candidates, there does appear to be some questions surrounding this guys suitability for the Job based on his past behavior.

To be fair, putting sexual assault aside - if the claims were he was just a normal but ****** rich kid who had a lot of fun in his younger days (probably at the expense of others), I don't think I would hold that against him. Most of us grow up.

The issue is who he is now, and for me his performance in the examination was really really poor given it was essentially an interview for a very important role. I thought he handled the questions generally very very badly. When he started to cry it made me feel sick. There's a woman in the room that says she was nearly raped and he's the one crying ffs. What a complete tosser.

I think Ford would make a better candidate for the job in my opinion. It requires someone with a bit of sophistication, empathy and sense of fairness. I don't think he displayed any of those characteristics.

It doesn't surprise me that trump chose him as in many ways he reminds me of Trump himself. I am as astounded by this potential pick for the supreme court as I was that Trump got into power. The anger shown by Lindsey Graham was astonishing in the light of what was being discussed. I don't think anyone could come away from that and think the accused was definitely innocent and so a measure of grimness and concern for making sure the correct candidate has been chosen would have been much more appropriate. I'm not saying L Graham should have said he now has doubts publicly, but to show a bit more humbleness in the face of such a raw and moving testimony. His spitting spat showed that he was more angry that they had to go through with all the hassle at all, a rich boy throwing a tantrum.

There are times that I think USA is screwed - the inmates are running the asylum.
 
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BadBoy said:
Of course it's not about proving anything as it's not a trial.

However, who ever ends up getting picked, and apparently there's a long list of potential candidates, there does appear to be some questions surrounding this guys suitability for the Job based on his past behavior.

To be fair, putting sexual assault aside - if the claims were he was just a normal but ****** rich kid who had a lot of fun in his younger days (probably at the expense of others), I don't think I would hold that against him. Most of us grow up.

The issue is who he is now, and for me his performance in the examination was really really poor given it was essentially an interview for a very important role. I thought he handled the questions generally very very badly. When he started to cry it made me feel sick. There's a woman in the room that says she was nearly raped and he's the one crying ffs. What a complete tosser.

I think Ford would make a better candidate for the job in my opinion. It requires someone with a bit of sophistication, empathy and sense of fairness. I don't think he displayed any of those characteristics.

It doesn't surprise me that trump chose him as in many ways he reminded me of Trump himself.
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