New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

I'm watching Jamie Roche, Kav's freshman Yale roommate. He says Kav is lying about both the extent of his drinking and the use of the yearbook words. He says he saw Kav on many occasions falling down drunk to the point of vomiting and being incoherent. He also heard Kav and his friends using the yearbook terms in a sexual context and not in the way that Kav claimed.
Even more shocking is that he was never contacted by the FBI once; not during the previous 6 background checks and not during the one this week. Incredible. That just lends me to believe that the FBI was not given the free rein that Trump claims.
 
It's really not evidence of anything, but when you ask an alcoholic about their drinking, hearing the "I like beer, okay?" response in an offended or defensive tone will not surprise you. I've heard it before and that was definitely what I was reminded of when he said it.

Once again... this is not evidence that Kavanaugh is or ever was an alky, nor that he drinks too much now.
Yes it is, see below.
Yeah, yeah yeah

No-one is trying to "proveTM" perjury

What we are saying is that if you are a Judge, and you lie under oath, what you are proving is that you are unfit to be a judge.

Just answer me this (truthfully, if you can); do you want a Supreme Court judge who

Tell lies under oath?
Believes in conspiracy theories?
Presents himself as obviously partisan for one side or the other?
Is belligerent and hostile?
Loses his temper under pressure?
And who has had a drinking problem for decades and might still have a drinking problem.
... As for fitness for office, that, to me, is tough to judge. I didn't like him before Thursday. I liked him even less after Thursday. On the other hand I had a whole lot more respect for the Democratic senators before Thursday.

The fact that he (probably) lied about his drinking makes me question his judgement and character. The fact that he was asked about it makes me think that the Democratic senators are really awful people.
Still keeping this rationalization up I see. Put any old ******* on the SCOTUS bench, the Democrats pissed me off. :rolleyes:

Why? Drinking is a large factor in the claims of Ford.
And it pops up again and again in a lot of the stories about Kav. Did you see the letter he wrote in college where he said:
In the letter, Kavanaugh wrote that whoever arrived first at the condo should, quote, “warn the neighbors that we’re loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us,” unquote.
See below. I believe the NYTs got a copy of the letter and printed it.

Democracy Now! had an interesting piece this morning. The same highly credentialed psychiatrists who wrote a book on Trump's Narcissistic Personality Disorder looked at the Kavanaugh hearing and said he has all the signs of an ongoing alcoholic, not one that no longer drinks to excess.

Mental Health Experts Demand Psychological Assessment of Kavanaugh for Drinking, Instability
Meanwhile, The New York Times has obtained a 1983 letter written by Kavanaugh to friends who were renting a beach house together. In the letter, Kavanaugh wrote that whoever arrived first at the condo should, quote, “warn the neighbors that we’re loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us,” unquote.

We turn now to look at how a group of mental health experts are urging the examination of the Supreme Court nominee and stating he has, quote, “demonstrated a pattern that’s consistent with someone struggling with an alcohol problem.” In a letter, the mental health experts write of Kavanaugh’s emotional and often explosively angry testimony last week, quote, “Judge Kavanaugh exhibited behavior that, if engaged in during his possible tenure as a Supreme Court Justice, would yield a dangerous combination of instability and power. At the hearing, Judge Kavanaugh manipulated and evaded direct and substantive responses, denigrated those who challenged him, and accused many of conspiring against him. All that behavior reflects an underlying belief that he is above norms and laws,” unquote

Well, for more, we’re joined by the lead author of this letter, Dr. Bandy X. Lee. She’s a forensic psychiatrist on the faculty of Yale School of Medicine, an internationally recognized expert on violence, the editor of the best-selling book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.

There is both the transcript and free streaming of the piece at the site. It was uplifting for me, being the foolish optimist until all is lost, to hear the voices with evidence against Kavanaugh getting louder and louder. We still only need one or two Republicans to stand up to the swindle that is McConnell's plan.

Some of the troubling signs that we saw were poor regulation of emotion, evasion of questions, exaggerated entitlement—which actually makes someone more likely to be capable of violating others’ rights. Other troubling signs that we’ve seen were paranoia, conspiracy theories and an inability to have empathy for others. Those were some of the signs that we feel, as mental health professionals—it is our duty to call out signs that are abnormal and signs that indicate possibly a troubling condition on the part of Mr. Kavanaugh.
 
Yes it is, see below.
And who has had a drinking problem for decades and might still have a drinking problem.
Still keeping this rationalization up I see. Put any old ******* on the SCOTUS bench, the Democrats pissed me off. :rolleyes:

And it pops up again and again in a lot of the stories about Kav. Did you see the letter he wrote in college where he said:See below. I believe the NYTs got a copy of the letter and printed it.

Democracy Now! had an interesting piece this morning. The same highly credentialed psychiatrists who wrote a book on Trump's Narcissistic Personality Disorder looked at the Kavanaugh hearing and said he has all the signs of an ongoing alcoholic, not one that no longer drinks to excess.

Mental Health Experts Demand Psychological Assessment of Kavanaugh for Drinking, Instability



There is both the transcript and free streaming of the piece at the site. It was uplifting for me, being the foolish optimist until all is lost, to hear the voices with evidence against Kavanaugh getting louder and louder. We still only need one or two Republicans to stand up to the swindle that is McConnell's plan.

We also need the 3 Dems from red states to vote no. I'm a bit worried about them.
 
The pattern of alcohol abuse for a suspect would be of interest in the early stages of an investigation. I don't think that was what was going on Thursday.

What does early or late have to do with anything?

It's really incredible the amount of logical knots that people will bend themselves into in order to defend this guy. It seems to me like you staked an opinion early on and now you feel like you can't change it.
 
What does early or late have to do with anything?

It's really incredible the amount of logical knots that people will bend themselves into in order to defend this guy. It seems to me like you staked an opinion early on and now you feel like you can't change it.

If you were to read my posts on the subject, you would see a significant change of tone starting Thursday.


Prior to that, I was nervous about going back to high school days. After the statements from Smyth and Keyser were made public, I said that the event didn't happen the way Ford says it happened. However, I didn't have the strident, anti-Democratic sentiment you see now until they earned it through their actions on Thursday.
 
If you were to read my posts on the subject, you would see a significant change of tone starting Thursday.


Prior to that, I was nervous about going back to high school days. After the statements from Smyth and Keyser were made public, I said that the event didn't happen the way Ford says it happened. However, I didn't have the strident, anti-Democratic sentiment you see now until they earned it through their actions on Thursday.

Please describe exactly what the Dems did on Thursday that you find so horrible. I'm just curious because I watched it and I don't see anything so horrible. What I found truly disgusting was Graham's hyperbolic partisan rant.
 
Yeah no point in Republicans actually reading the report.

Hey more excuses to ram the candidate through no matter what!

Ram through? Oh dear. They have delayed the votes several times, but don’t let the facts get in the way!

Hey, let’s have a fbi investigation, Anita hill’s only took three days!
Ok
Ahhh! You are cramming it through!
:rolleyes:
 
This article, in the Atlantic is worth reading:

How Republicans Weaponized the FBI Against Anita Hill
A Kavanaugh ally, the conservative legal pundit Ed Whelan, published on Twitter an elaborate theory that Ford had mistaken Kavanaugh for another classmate. Similarly, Phyllis Berry, who worked with Hill and Thomas, suggested that if Hill had been harassed, it was by Thomas’s former chief of staff Chris Roggerson. Some conservative pundits have suggested that Ford’s accusations stem from unrequited lust for Kavanaugh, a smear some also leveled at Hill. While other women had similar stories about Kavanaugh, only Ford testified publicly, just as only Hill was called before the Senate despite the fact that other women had similar stories about Thomas....

... Even if bureau investigators are allowed to interview anyone they please, and to pursue any logical leads that arise from those interviews, the White House will have a substantial amount of control over the information the report produces. And that means the Trump administration could weaponize the bureau’s investigation against Ford—just as the 1991 FBI report was used to attack Hill’s credibility. ...

The FBI investigators were less than thorough, according to Jill Abramson and Jane Mayer in Strange Justice, their account of the Thomas confirmation battle. In an early interview with James Brudney, a Democratic staffer, Hill described in detail her now-infamous encounters with Thomas. She described Thomas saying out loud in the office “Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?” and claimed that he discussed “pornographic materials depicting individuals with large penises or large breasts involved in various sex acts.” She said he discussed the porn star “Long Dong Silver” and bragged about the size of his penis.

Hill also mentioned these explicit charges in her Senate testimony—but they did not appear in the official FBI report, and that absence was used against her.

According to Mayer and Abramson, the two agents who interviewed Hill, John B. Luton and Jolene Smith Jameson, “had been ordered by the Republicans in Washington to watch her testimony,” and were “supposed to note any discrepancies between her answers to the committee and her initial interview with them.” After Hill’s Senate testimony, the two agents “could either admit that they had done an inadequate job or suggest that Hill fabricated the new details expressly for the hearings.” They chose the latter course, signing sworn affidavits that Hill hadn’t specified Thomas’s lewd remarks in her interview.

Armed with the affidavits, Republican Senator Arlen Specter, then tasked with defending Thomas, asked, “When you made your statement to the FBI, why was it that that was omitted if it were so strong in your mind and such an odd incident?”

Of course, as Mayer and Abramson later uncovered, those details were in Brudney’s notes, proving that Hill’s story had been consistent all along. The two FBI agents had simply been less thorough than a Democratic staffer.
The dishonesty of the GOP and some in the FBI is astounding.
 
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Please describe exactly what the Dems did on Thursday that you find so horrible. I'm just curious because I watched it and I don't see anything so horrible. What I found truly disgusting was Graham's hyperbolic partisan rant.

I already have, and I'm not on trial.

Regarding Graham's rant, it most certainly was hyperbolic. A lot of people on these boards have discussed what he was trying to do, or who he was trying to please. My explanation for that rant is simple. He meant it.


On the other hand, if it was all just and act, it was a darned good one. The right wing ate it up completely. They loved him.
 
Ram through? Oh dear. They have delayed the votes several times, but don’t let the facts get in the way!

Hey, let’s have a fbi investigation, Anita hill’s only took three days!
Ok
Ahhh! You are cramming it through!
:rolleyes:

Oh please. When you tell everyone, you have one hour to read the report and then we vote, you're ramming it through.
 
I already have, and I'm not on trial.

Wow. Why so defensive?

I think it's because you truly can't justify your position.

I mean, after several posts you finally acknowledged that blackouts were a relevant topic to question Kavanaugh about.

Perhaps the rest of your position is also a fragile castle made of sand?

But you're right, you're not on trial.

You can dodge if you want to.
 
I already have, and I'm not on trial.

Regarding Graham's rant, it most certainly was hyperbolic. A lot of people on these boards have discussed what he was trying to do, or who he was trying to please. My explanation for that rant is simple. He meant it.


On the other hand, if it was all just and act, it was a darned good one. The right wing ate it up completely. They loved him.

This thread is 40 pages long. I've read all of them, I believe. I do not recall you citing exactly what questions the Dems asked or what statements they made that were so horrible.

No, you are not on trial. Neither was Kav. But asking for you to point out exactly what you believe is the appalling behavior of the Dems is certainly not unreasonable.

ETA: I agree with Cabbage.
 
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Someone in this thread (probably TBD or The Prestige) posted a link to a letter that allegedly came from Ford's ex-boyfriend who claimed the doctor had coached someone on how to take a polygraph in contradiction of Ford's testimony. The woman was named in the letter. That woman has issued a statement refuting the claim.
A friend of Christine Blasey Ford denied Wednesday that the Kavanaugh accuser ever helped her prepare for a lie detector test, firing back at claims purportedly from a Ford ex-boyfriend that raised new questions about her Senate testimony.

Ford, who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, testified last week that she had never helped anyone prepare for a polygraph examination.

But Tuesday evening, in a written declaration, Ford’s ex-boyfriend, whose name was redacted, claimed he saw Ford helping a woman he believed was her "life-long best friend" prepare for a potential polygraph test. He added that the woman, Monica McLean, had been interviewing for jobs with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office.

On Wednesday, McLean put out a brief statement denying the claim.

“I have NEVER had Christine Blasey Ford, or anybody else, prepare me, or provide any other type of assistance whatsoever in connection with any polygraph exam I have taken at anytime,” McLean said
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ch...-helped-on-polygraph-fires-back-at-new-claims
 
“Republican aides say that alternating a single physical copy of an FBI background report between Democrats and Republicans is usual practice for judicial nominees.

Judiciary Committee Republicans on Tuesday tweeted out a 2009 memorandum of understanding stating that photocopying or other reproduction of the FBI background reports is prohibited.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/409786-senators-will-view-fbi-report-on-kavanaugh-thursday

Durbin is full of ****
 
If the Dems have any sense or backbone, they'll send it to the printer, make hundreds of copies and thumb their nose at McConnell when they tell him they did it. I'm sure copies will make it to MSNBC, NPR and CNN.

Gee, a dem crime spree...

Oy vey....
 

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