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Intelligent Design

kmortis said:
Ya mean like many people "instinticively" know that the world is flat? Or that the sun goes around the Earth?
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These are your words, not mine.

Well, since you haven't actually given one shred of evidence...I'm not all that worried about what I, Mercutio or any of the other people here might be made out to be in the infantessimal chance that you're right. Now, are you actually going to supply evidence, or just keep spreading innunendo, fairytales and fiction?
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"I" exist.
 
Iacchus said:
These are your words, not mine.
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And THIS is a picture I found
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"I" exist.
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No you don't, you're just a figment of my own warped, disturbed imagination brought forth by the piece of nearly rotten chicken I ate last night. I will soon belch and you will cease to exist.
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, there is sort of a "hashing out" process that occurs in our dreams. And at times it can be quite therapeutic. We can find the answers in our dreams that we can't fathom elsewhere.
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That doesn't make sense. If it's a "hashing out" process of memories, then there's nothing "spiritual" or special about them. They're quite mundane. You can't have it both ways.
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, the dream world is very much like a "threshing floor" which exists between the natural world and the spiritual world. It's not supposed to make a whole lot of sense, until you begin to experience what's on the other side of it.
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??? Would you care to elaborate on that ? And if it doesn't make sense, how can you be sure it's a "spiritual world" ??
 
Iacchus said:
So, if I were to die and go to heaven, would that merely be a result of the scientific findings or, the fact that people die and go to heaven? This is the absurdity of your argument here.
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Fact ? I wasn't aware that we had solid evidence of heaven !! Wow! Not THAT changes a lot of things. Why didn't anyone tell me this, before ?? They didn't teach me this is physics class. Say, Iacchus, would you care to provide a link to a peer-reviewed articles dealing with this subject. My spiritual life is on the line here.
 
Iacchus said:
Yet there are many people who instinctively know this, regardless of whether the preacher told them or, whether they did or did not read about it in a scientific journal.
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Ah! HypnoPsi also "knows" a number of things. If I "see" a UFO, I can "know" that it's an alien spaceship. But does that mean that it is ? Knowing and believing are completely different things. But then, you know that.
 
Iacchus said:
Everything is more "enhanced," with more of a sense of depth, color and feel. I have only experienced bits and pieces of it and, at some rate extended samplings of it but, it would best be described as "exquisite" to our senses.
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Assuming we're still talking about the "spiritual world" accessible through our dreams, I'm pretty sure that I've ALWAYS experienced it as LESS depth, color and feel. It's why we can say "wait a minute! I'm dreaming, here."
 
Belz... said:
Assuming we're still talking about the "spiritual world" accessible through our dreams, I'm pretty sure that I've ALWAYS experienced it as LESS depth, color and feel. It's why we can say "wait a minute! I'm dreaming, here."
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Now I normally agree with basically everything you post, Belz..., but I'd like to make a point about this. I've had dreams that had as much detail as real life, or at least a very similar amount. I've also heard from my brother, although this is of course just conjecture, that he has had similarly vivid dreams. He even described the level of detail in said dreams, which included rubbish on the streets, cigarette butts, insects, etc. While it is possible that it only seems like these dreams have as much detail as real life only in the dream (and the memory of the dream), personally I think they do hold as much. However, I doubt anyone has ever had a dream that was more real then 'real life'. If it was, almost by definition, it would become 'real life', while 'real life' becomes the dream.
 
Taffer said:
Now I normally agree with basically everything you post, Belz..., but I'd like to make a point about this. I've had dreams that had as much detail as real life, or at least a very similar amount. I've also heard from my brother, although this is of course just conjecture, that he has had similarly vivid dreams. He even described the level of detail in said dreams, which included rubbish on the streets, cigarette butts, insects, etc. While it is possible that it only seems like these dreams have as much detail as real life only in the dream (and the memory of the dream), personally I think they do hold as much. However, I doubt anyone has ever had a dream that was more real then 'real life'. If it was, almost by definition, it would become 'real life', while 'real life' becomes the dream.
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I dunno, I have to agree with Belz on this one. From the dreams that I can remember, they seem to be co-directed by Marc Caro and Terry Gilliam. I could have increadable detail in them, but a) I don't recall many of them and b) mine as usually so busy, I don't have the time to see everything.
 
Taffer said:
Now I normally agree with basically everything you post, Belz..., but I'd like to make a point about this. I've had dreams that had as much detail as real life, or at least a very similar amount. I've also heard from my brother, although this is of course just conjecture, that he has had similarly vivid dreams. He even described the level of detail in said dreams, which included rubbish on the streets, cigarette butts, insects, etc. While it is possible that it only seems like these dreams have as much detail as real life only in the dream (and the memory of the dream), personally I think they do hold as much. However, I doubt anyone has ever had a dream that was more real then 'real life'. If it was, almost by definition, it would become 'real life', while 'real life' becomes the dream.
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Not that I doubt what you're saying, but could there be a certain amount of retrofitting there ? I know I've done it in the past, more or less knowingly.
 
Belz... said:
That doesn't make sense. If it's a "hashing out" process of memories, then there's nothing "spiritual" or special about them. They're quite mundane. You can't have it both ways.
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A memory is an "experienced" event. At the time, these events represented a certain alignment or, "association" in the spiritual world. So in that sense a memory is also developed and/or maintained in the spiritual sense. Therefore it's these associations that are "hashed out" in our dreams ... while in the process of refining our understanding and developing our spiritual growth. The spirits do in fact live through our memories, through the thoughts and feelings they evoke and, what these associations represent.
 
Taffer said:
However, I doubt anyone has ever had a dream that was more real then 'real life'. If it was, almost by definition, it would become 'real life', while 'real life' becomes the dream.
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The mind is merely a portal, which exists between these two realms.
 
kmortis said:
No you don't, you're just a figment of my own warped, disturbed imagination brought forth by the piece of nearly rotten chicken I ate last night. I will soon belch and you will cease to exist.
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Yes, one of us must really be suffering from a bad case of food poisioning. But let's not forget, that it all begins with the fact that "we exist." ;)
 
Iacchus said:
A memory is an "experienced" event. At the time, these events represented a certain alignment or, "association" in the spiritual world. So in that sense a memory is also developed and/or maintained in the spiritual sense. Therefore it's these associations that are "hashed out" in our dreams ... while in the process of refining our understanding and developing our spiritual growth. The spirits do in fact live through our memories, through the thoughts and feelings they evoke and, what these associations represent.
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That makes even less sense. Where did you get your evidence for this ? How do you know ? And how do you explain the dreams that make absolutely no sense at all ?

A friend of mine dreamt that he was cooking himself in a stove. HE was cooking HIMSELF. There were two HIMS in the dream. And he was COOKING himself. How does that make sense ? I once dreamt I saw Tom Hanks and he had this heavy Quebec french accent! How does THAT make sense at all ?

Is my "spirit" broken ? Should I return it under warranty ?
 
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