Lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh Hearing

[Belz...]

Do you think I'm obsessed with race and sex?

I wouldn't know. My comment was a general observation about the left wing and the right wing.

 

[Busta Capp]

I said this earlier and it bears repeating. It wasn't Ford's testimony that made me believe Kavanaugh was unfit. It was Kavanaugh's testimony. It was that pathetic, wimpy frat boy entitlement. The absurd indignance, his lack of forthrightness and temperament. Nothing about him says to me that he can be counted on to be trustworthy and impartial.

Can you name even one SC Justice, currently, that is "impartial" ?
Sotomayor ?
Ginsberg ?
Thomas ?
Ect.
They all vote along party lines.

The delay may or may not work, but if the "blue wave" doesn't happen we wiill get another conservative justice nominated.
I wonder what horrible injustice he'll be guilty of to stall again till 2020 ?

 

[Belz...]

Can you name even one SC Justice, currently, that is "impartial" ?
Sotomayor ?
Ginsberg ?
Thomas ?
Ect.
They all vote along party lines.

That's why Kennedy was so interesting. I don't mind bias, but one has to be able to look beyond that and sometimes act against their personal opinions in order to think about the larger issues.

 

[Ziggurat]

I wouldn't know. My comment was a general observation about the left wing and the right wing.

The accusation of racism and sexism wasn't leveled at the right wing. It was leveled at me personally.

 

[johnny karate]

When you’re a knee-jerk apologist for racists and sexists, sometimes you get a little on you.

 

[Ziggurat]

When you’re a knee-jerk apologist for racists and sexists, sometimes you get a little on you.

When you diverge at all from leftist orthodoxy, you "get a little on you".

It'll come around to you some day. The left always eats its own eventually.

 

[lomiller]

That doesn't make sense, since he wasn't a senior or 18 when the events with Ford were alleged to have taken place. That wouldn't be a mystery to the committee. Nor does he ever claim that he only drank while a senior. And I think there's a rather obvious alternative reason for him to say this, which is simply to point out that alcohol was commonly and easily available to highschoolers.

He doesn’t want to be recorded talking about his underage drinking, so instead of just owning up to it he’s trying to deceive the committee. There is no other reason for him to mention seniors at all, save trying to deceive the committee as he wasn’t legal drinking age even when he was a senior.

And I think there's a rather obvious alternative reason for him to say this, which is simply to point out that alcohol was commonly and easily available to highschoolers.

You are grasping at straws.

 

[Belz...]

The accusation of racism and sexism wasn't leveled at the right wing. It was leveled at me personally.

Ok I'll try to illustrate the situation. Bear with me.

You know how Holocaust deniers almost to a man turn out to be anti-semitic? So that when you see a new one pop up, you can put some money on them being anti-Jew?

Ok, so by the same logic, a LOT of right-wing people, and those who defend people like Cosby or Weinstein or, even at this point in the procedings, Kavanaugh, seem to require a LOT more evidence to believe women or minorities than they do when the roles are reversed or, as stated earlier, when the political affiliations are reversed. So naturally a lot of people on the left are wary of the sort of rhetoric that comes up in those discussions and often assume the worst.

 

[lomiller]

The accusation of racism and sexism wasn't leveled at the right wing. It was leveled at me personally.

Not without reason. You asserted that Kavanaugh's accusers were not credible without any evidence whatsoever. How else are we supposed to take this other than as sexism and possibly racism?

 

[Ziggurat]

He wasn't addressing the committee, he was addressing the court of public opinion.

He doesn’t want to be recorded talking about his underage drinking, so instead of just owning up to it he’s trying to deceive the committee.

These are contradictory claims. I'll let you two duke it out.

There is no other reason for him to mention seniors at all, save trying to deceive the committee as he wasn’t legal drinking age even when he was a senior.

The committee knows he was 17 and not a senior at the time of the alleged events.

You are grasping at straws.

That's ironic.

 

[Ziggurat]

Not without reason. You asserted that Kavanaugh's accusers were not credible without any evidence whatsoever.

That is unintentionally accurate. They are not credible because they have no evidence whatsoever.

How else are we supposed to take this other than as sexism and possibly racism?

No bias is actually needed. But even assuming bias is involved, partisan bias could suffice. For example, someone who believed Republicans over Democrats every time, regardless of race or sex, is not therefore racist or sexist.

 

[carlitos]

You are grasping at straws.

That's ironic.

Because you can drink out of a straw. I get it.

 

[Cavemonster]

These are contradictory claims. I'll let you two duke it out.

You mean people who disagree with you might also disagree with each other? WOW!!

But to me I'm not particularly interested in debating WHO he meant to fool.

The plain natural reading of the phrasing in question is not so unclear.

 

[Belz...]

No bias is actually needed. But even assuming bias is involved, partisan bias could suffice. For example, someone who believed Republicans over Democrats every time, regardless of race or sex, is not therefore racist or sexist.

Depends. Maybe they believe Republicans over Democrats every time because they identify with that party due to their similarities on race and sex.

 

[Ziggurat]

Depends. Maybe they believe Republicans over Democrats every time because they identify with that party due to their similarities on race and sex.

Your defense of his personal accusation against me is basically that it could be true, and that evidently suffices.

I'll keep that in mind for all future considerations about you, and all the things you might be.

 

[Belz...]

Your defense of his personal accusation against me is basically that it could be true, and that evidently suffices.

I'll keep that in mind for all future considerations about you, and all the things you might be.

What a bizarre response. My post explained that perception of conservatives in general can give someone that sort of impression, something I voice myself earlier. That has nothing to do with your characterisation here.

But then, par for the course for you.

 

[lomiller]

These are contradictory claims. I'll let you two duke it out.

No, they not even the slightest bit contradictory.

The committee knows he was 17 and not a senior at the time of the alleged events.

So? Liars usually think no one else is clever enough to catch onto their pretty games

That's ironic.

You are still grasping at straws.

 

[lomiller]

That is unintentionally accurate. They are not credible because they have no evidence whatsoever.

A man says something and you automatically assume he’s telling the truth unless proven otherwise.
A women says something and you assume she isn’t unless proven otherwise.

Are you still seriously saying you don’t understand why people would have a problem with this?

For example, someone who believed Republicans over Democrats every time

If you want to tell us the fact that you refuse to believe women’s testimony is really just a coincidence and you are simply rejecting any evidence challenge Republican orthodoxy I’m more than willing to believe it, but it doesn’t really put you in a better light IMO.

 

[Ziggurat]

A man says something and you automatically assume he’s telling the truth unless proven otherwise.
A women says something and you assume she isn’t unless proven otherwise.

You're pulling this accusation out of your ass. No surprise, since a lack of evidence clearly doesn't matter to you.

 

[xjx388]

No, they not even the slightest bit contradictory.




So? Liars usually think no one else is clever enough to catch onto their pretty games



You are still grasping at straws.

How can you read this statement:

Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I, the boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer. The drinking age, as I noted, was 18, so the seniors were legal, senior year in high school, people were legal to drink, and we — yeah, we drank beer, and I said sometimes — sometimes probably had too many beers, and sometimes other people had too many beers.

and interpret it to mean that Kavanaugh was trying to mislead people into thinking he was legally of age? That is some serious twisting. ". . . So the seniors were legal," clearly indicates that people who went to his school, people which were not him, were legal to drink. He did not say, "I only drank when I was a senior." It's clear he drank beer during high school because the seniors had easy access to it, therefore everyone had easy access.

Again, there are so many other parts of his testimony to pick apart, this one seems pretty straightforward.