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Trump, The Gun Control President.

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Trump says ban on 'bump stocks' coming

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/politics/trump-bump-fire-stocks/index.html
Trump was asked at a Rose Garden news conference about the progress of regulations to eliminate the devices, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at a more rapid rate.
"In order to eliminate -- terminate -- bump stocks, we have to go through procedure. We are now at the final stages of that procedure," he said.
"We are knocking out bump stocks. I have told the (National Rifle Association) -- bump stocks are gone. But to do that, you have to go to public hearings, which we have had. You have to go through all sorts of regulatory control systems."
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President Obama had no luck with any meaningful gun control proposals.
https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595
....the number of Obama gun laws that made it through Congress during his two terms in office comes in at only two, and neither placed additional restrictions on gun owners. In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.
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The laws passed during Obama's time in office included measures to allow carrying in national parks and in checked luggage on trains. 41P also relaxed certain regulations regarding transfer of NFA firearms such as machine guns and silencers.

Trump is going to go down as the gun control president compared to Obama. But don't think the NRA is going to say so. Some of my facebook "friends" who have let their strange political views become exposed don't see this happening either. Trump is GOP and can do no wrong. :(

Ranb
 
Indeed. Obama deported far more people during his tenure than Republicans give credit for too because it doesn't fit their reality.
 
Ranb said:
Trump says ban on 'bump stocks' coming

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/politics/trump-bump-fire-stocks/index.html




President Obama had no luck with any meaningful gun control proposals.
https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595


The laws passed during Obama's time in office included measures to allow carrying in national parks and in checked luggage on trains. 41P also relaxed certain regulations regarding transfer of NFA firearms such as machine guns and silencers.

Trump is going to go down as the gun control president compared to Obama. But don't think the NRA is going to say so. Some of my facebook "friends" who have let their strange political views become exposed don't see this happening either. Trump is GOP and can do no wrong. :(

Ranb
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Go, Trump, Go!
 
Norman Alexander said:
Trump is simply saying whatever he needs to say to try to look good. There is likely no such legislation in the pipeline at all.
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I agree it all depends on what makes Trump look good. I'm fairly certain he will not be trying to score points with the Democrats by supporting any gun control legislation or regulations.
 
Ranb said:
I agree it all depends on what makes Trump look good. I'm fairly certain he will not be trying to score points with the Democrats by supporting any gun control legislation or regulations.
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I think it has been well established that what Trump says has no relation whatsoever to reality. It was the one year anniversary of the Las Vegas shooting and he felt the need to allow words to spill from his word hole to make himself feel better. Nothing will come of it initiated by him.
 
Trump may well get away with shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, but he is a goner if he tries to take away America’s guns.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Trump is simply saying whatever he needs to say to try to look good. There is likely no such legislation in the pipeline at all.
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FTFY!

There really is no rational thought behind anything he says, he's the human equivalent of a magic 8-ball, just without the accuracy and lucidity.
 
Even if Trump does nothing about guns, he will be known partly as the president who did less for gun owners/makers than Obama. :) Of course all of his other "qualities" will far out-shine on his record on guns.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
oddly enough, I don't think the NRA can risk publicly disagreeing with Trump.
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Nah, they can put out statements and oppose this without ever mentioning the name Trump. Since there doesn’t seem to be anything in the pipeline and Trump & his hardcore followers have the memories of goldfish they will easily defeat this without casting shade on him.
 
kookbreaker said:
Nah, they can put out statements and oppose this without ever mentioning the name Trump. Since there doesn’t seem to be anything in the pipeline and Trump & his hardcore followers have the memories of goldfish they will easily defeat this without casting shade on him.
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Yeah, all they'll need to do is list all the prominent Democrats who are voting for the bill, and none of the Trumpists will notice his signature at the bottom.
 
Ranb said:
I agree it all depends on what makes Trump look good. I'm fairly certain he will not be trying to score points with the Democrats by supporting any gun control legislation or regulations.
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Trump tries to score points with who ever he is talking to regardless of if he contradicts what he said 5 minutes ago.
 
Trump administration officially bans bump stocks
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html
Bump stocks gained national attention last year after a gunman in Las Vegas rigged his weapons with the devices to fire on concertgoers, killing 58 people.

Officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had previously concluded bump stocks were merely a gun accessory or firearm part, not subject to federal regulation, but President Donald Trump called on the Justice Department to outlaw the devices soon after the tragedy.

Justice Department officials told CNN Tuesday they took a "fresh look" at the case law, technology, and the devices and their functionality "in light of modern developments."

The rule concludes that bump-fire stocks, "slide-fire" devices, and devices with certain similar characteristics all fall within the prohibition on machine guns by allowing a "shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger," and therefore, they are illegal under federal law.
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I think the bolded is really not true.

When the ATF reversed themselves years go on the Akins Accelerator (a bump stock with a spring to assist in the back and forth rocking of the action in the stock) they made it clear the spring was the offending component and required that owners of the stock surrender only the spring.

The existing (previously) legal bump stocks obviously to not operate with a single pull of the trigger. The trigger is pulled only when pressure on the handguard is maintained. The shooter is physically pulling the trigger for each shot.

But yeah, Trump has managed to do something Obama never could; his administration banned a gun/accessory. This will of course have zero effect on crime in the USA.
 
That's the problem that pro-gun folks are going to discover, sooner or later. Gun rights has become a strictly partisan issue, with Republicans mostly for and Dems against. But gun owners really don't have much leverage if Republicans betray the cause, because they are still going to be better than the D's on the issue.

If you are a gun owner and you don't like this move by the Republican president, what are you going to do? You surely aren't going to vote D. Maybe make some noise during the primary, but that's about it. The Republicans have captured this issue and the NRA. Gun owners are now stuck with the abusive spouse, because they really can't do any better.

Rick Scott is another example. He bucked the NRA line after the school shooting when he was governor. Still won his Senate race with a NRA rating of C (previously A+). His Democratic opponent had an F, so there's really no choice for the single issue voter. Take the C or protest vote and risk the F.
 
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