New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

If you think the stories of Lewinsky and Ford are comparable, you should think again.
Republicans safely occupy the bottom of the moral Mariana trench.
 
Darat said:
Then perhaps step back a moment, and look at how the nominee himself has behaved, surely that's what is important not what any political bods may or may not have done?

Seems to me to be rather strange that you are no longer concerned whether the nominee is suitable for the role or not.
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This is a very interesting post.

The message of my post-Thursday writings here has been that Kavanaugh is not a very good candidate, but that the anti-Kavanaugh forces behaved so badly that I'm not sure which is worse.

You are asking me to "take a step back", and look just at one side.


Usually, the point of taking a step back is to see more of the picture, but your version of taking a step back is to focus on just one thing.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
If you think the stories of Lewinsky and Ford are comparable,
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I don't. I think the story of Lewinsky is comparable to the story of going over to Timmy's for some 'skis.


The Republicans justified their investigation into a private, consensual, affair on the grounds that it was part of a behavior pattern that was relevant to sexual harassment and assault allegations, specifically the allegations of Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey. People judged that to be nonsense. In reality, they went after the Lewinsky story because they would have gone after anything embarrassing to the president, and they thought for sure they had nabbed him when he lied about it. However, the American people decided that Ken Starr's questions were worse than Bill Clinton's lies. You may have heard that line recently.
 
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If I may rephrase Meadmaker's argument:
Kavanaugh isn't good enough for the Supreme Court, but we have to give him extra points for having been accused.
So without the accusations, Kavanaugh wouldn't have passed.
 
Meadmaker said:
Usually, the point of taking a step back is to see more of the picture, but your version of taking a step back is to focus on just one thing.
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There's only one job opening in question. None of those mean little Democrats are going to take it if Kavanaugh is not confirmed.

I'm still completely baffled that someone can say that the qualifications and integrity of the nominee are not the top concern for whether or not they should be confirmed.
 
Meadmaker said:
However, the American people decided that Ken Starr's questions were worse than Bill Clinton's lies. You may have heard that line recently.
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Nope. They deemed that a consensual affair isn't really relevant to a president's ability to do his job.
 
Meadmaker said:
This is a very interesting post.

The message of my post-Thursday writings here has been that Kavanaugh is not a very good candidate, but that the anti-Kavanaugh forces behaved so badly that I'm not sure which is worse.

You are asking me to "take a step back", and look just at one side.


Usually, the point of taking a step back is to see more of the picture, but your version of taking a step back is to focus on just one thing.
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Asking you to take a step back was referring to what is meant to be the reason for having this process.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Yeah. He's succumbed to tribalism, as have most on the thread. He's already decided on Kavanaugh's "rapey ways" with nothing even remotely approaching justification.
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Totally False. He's just suggesting very reasonably I might add, that Judge will deny it.
 
Meadmaker said:
I don't. I think the story of Lewinsky is comparable to the story of going over to Timmy's for some 'skis.


The Republicans justified their investigation into a private, consensual, affair on the grounds that it was part of a behavior pattern that was relevant to sexual harassment and assault allegations, specifically the allegations of Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey. People judged that to be nonsense. In reality, they went after the Lewinsky story because they would have gone after anything embarrassing to the president, and they thought for sure they had nabbed him when he lied about it. However, the American people decided that Ken Starr's questions were worse than Bill Clinton's lies. You may have heard that line recently.
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But the "skis" thing isn't to do with establishing a pattern of behaviour. Instead it demonstrates that Kavanaugh lied when he said that he couldn't have been at a gathering with Ford during the week. It also demonstrates that he lied when he said that he and her never moved in the same social circles, as it's documentary evidence of him hanging out with the boy she was going out with at the time.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
The Dimms new buzzword is "lifetime".

However, if Kavanaugh isn't confirmed (very unlikely), will they object in the event Trump decides to make him his new Attorney General.
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He's a justice or he's out, he will never be up for a position that requires advice and consent again.
 
Meadmaker said:
Should Kavanaugh be confirmed? Whatever. I was so appalled at the tactics of the Democrats that I now see that as a secondary issue.
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That's functionally insane. The very idea that you are putting what is, at absolute worst, some slight political opportunism above sexaul assault is sickening.
 
My takeaway is that it's OK to rape somebody if you are of the proper political orientation, but it's not OK to not rape somebody if you are not of the proper political orientation.
 
My prediction is that Kav will soon withdraw himself. Either that, or go on a binge and start a Twitter rampage that leaves everyone no choice but to deny him the position.

If he's still into drinking beer (and all), this is a very dangerous time for him.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's functionally insane. The very idea that you are putting what is, at absolute worst, some slight political opportunism above sexaul assault is sickening.
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And unfortunately widespread, it seems. We've seen time and again in this thread that people just don't care whether Kavanaugh is guilty or not. What's important is that the Democrats were naughty in bringing it up in the first place, or whether he's a true conservative.
 
I think there are a few forum members here who I would consider to be conservative who seem to have little to say on this matter. I would like to think that they know confirming Kavanaugh is beyond the pale. The only "conservatives" who seem to be supporting him would probably support him if he raped a donkey at his hearing and blamed it on Hillary Clinton. Some of them have literally been making the arguments that:

the politics are too important to care about Kavanaugh's character
the White Power agenda makes everything else secondary
he can't be prosecuted for attempted rape so it is no big deal if he did it

...and then I also think that the IRL blustering responses by people such as Lindsey Graham are concealing an uneasy conscience. That's just a suspicion with people like that.
 
angrysoba said:
I think there are a few forum members here who I would consider to be conservative who seem to have little to say on this matter. I would like to think that they know confirming Kavanaugh is beyond the pale. The only "conservatives" who seem to be supporting him would probably support him if he raped a donkey at his hearing and blamed it on Hillary Clinton. Some of them have literally been making the arguments that:

the politics are too important to care about Kavanaugh's character
the White Power agenda makes everything else secondary
he can't be prosecuted for attempted rape so it is no big deal if he did it

...and then I also think that the IRL blustering responses by people such as Lindsey Graham are concealing an uneasy conscience. That's just a suspicion with people like that.
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I don't think I've seen some of the arguments you list. I'm not sure what you mean by the second argument, but the third is clear enough. I haven't seen it.

I don't read every post in this fast-moving thread, however.
 
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