Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
The majority for Brexit in the UK overall was 1.3m. 1.9m of that was from England. You can work out what that means the majority was outside England.

Thanks English gammon.
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It's deeper than just a majority in England.

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https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

...which was the point of my question.
 
Aber said:
Was it?

Did it mean 'status quo', or 'ever closer union, all the way to a federal state', or 'something in-between'?
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Reamin meant status quo.
Any changes to the set up with the EU would have involved the usual mechanisms.
Whereas Leave meant whatever you wanted.

This was pointed out at the time...
 
Darat said:
Now about those 38% of Scottish residents that voted to leave the EU....
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Look...you get idiots in any population... even the Scots. It does seem however that England had more than the usual allotment of idiots in this batch.

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Tolls said:
Remain meant status quo.
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The status quo means that you're signed up for 'ever closer union' (Treaty of Rome, 1957) - so it's the usual EU warped thinking where words don't mean what a reasonable person would expect them to mean.
 
ceptimus said:
The status quo means that you're signed up for 'ever closer union' (Treaty of Rome, 1957) - so it's the usual EU warped thinking where words don't mean what a reasonable person would expect them to mean.
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Rubbish - any further soverignty changes we have a veto on so we would only agree with them if our democratically chosen national government wanted to.

You seem to only accept UK democracy when it supports what you want.
 
Amazer said:
Look...you get idiots in any population... even the Scots. It does seem however that England had more than the usual allotment of idiots in this batch.

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I'm not going to disagree with that, but it seems someone's racism colours his view and he wants to seemingly pretend no Scottish residents voted for leave.
 
ceptimus said:
The status quo means that you're signed up for 'ever closer union' (Treaty of Rome, 1957) - so it's the usual EU warped thinking where words don't mean what a reasonable person would expect them to mean.
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And?
As Darat points out, we had a veto.

So, again, we knew what Remain meant. Which was the status quo.

But not Leave. That was open to interpretation, which is why we are where we are, and which is why a second referendum is not what some people are painting it as.
 
Darat said:
I'm not going to disagree with that, but it seems someone's racism colours his view and he wants to seemingly pretend no Scottish residents voted for leave.
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No need to pretend. The flute botherers voted to leave because Union Jack and a few lefties thought they could build a socialist utopia outside the EU but they had no impact on the final overall result.

I know your colonial mindset would love it if Scotland just sat down and shut up but there's no racism about the facts or the numbers. It was English votes by English people on an English issue led by English politicians that have led us to where we are now. Odd that you find that idea a problem for you but a lot of Britnats seem to have a problem with the idea that Scotland should have any say in anything so you aren't alone.

I have looked and I can't find any prominent current Scottish politician that backed the idea of leaving the EU. Maybe Jim Sillars is about as close as it gets but he's hardly a dinosaur.

of course you, like ceptimus, might want to blame the rest of the UK.
 
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
No need to pretend. The flute botherers voted to leave but had no impact on the final overall result.

I know your colonial mindset would love it if Scotland just sat down and shut up but there's no racism about the facts or the numbers. It was English votes by English people on an English issue led by English politicians that have led us to where we are now.

of course you, like ceptimus, might want to blame the rest of the UK.
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You'll excuse me if I don't engage any further in your racist rants.
 
ceptimus said:
The status quo means that you're signed up for 'ever closer union' (Treaty of Rome, 1957) - so it's the usual EU warped thinking where words don't mean what a reasonable person would expect them to mean.
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Indeed. The UK signed up to 'ever closer union' and this was confirmed by a two thirds majority in a referendum. It is an outrage that the Uk government simply ignored that will of the people and failed to join the Euro or Schengen.
 
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