New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

The Great Zaganza said:
Kavanaugh had to lie to keep Trump on his side: ...
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No, he lied because he's embarrassed at his disgusting behavior that seemed cool and great at 17 and looks pretty bad now that he's an adult.

I know a lot of people that were drunks in high school. But guess what, it wasn't 'all the kids'. There were a few that were real jerks and a whole bunch that weren't.

The Great Zaganza said:
That is why Graham pretends he is outraged, because he is part of Trump' effort to change the narrative.

These are games we saw in the election, and most days of the week from Trump by now.

But no one in America should be so dishonest when it comes to finding a new Supreme Court Justice: character matters more than ideology.
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I don't know what Graham's up to. Could be he's a closet, "I don't believe them" kind of guy. Could be it was just a partisan act, get the guy confirmed for whatever reason.

On your second issue, if you believe character matters, open your eyes.

Whoops, wait a minute, sorry, I though I was replying to meadmaker, I should go to bed. :o
 
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Meadmaker said:
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Then we come to the committee Democrats. They dug through a high school yearbook looking for dirt on a 53 year old man. That's low. That's very, very, low. Dragging a guy in to see if they can catch him in a lie about "boofing". That's bottom of the barrel scummy.
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You don't seem willing to understand that the issue is not what he said in his yearbook. The issue is whether he actually did or didn't attempt to rape a 15-year-old girl then, and whether he is lying about it now. He claims he never got too drunk to remember an attack. His yearbook indicates that drinking with his pals was a huge part of his adolescence, and he is lying about it now to a ridiculous degree. That supports the view that he would lie -- or not even remember -- an assault.

We understand that anybody Trump appoints to the court will be a conservative approved by the Federalist Society. We get it. We are still allowed to question whether this guy is the best we can do.
 
In a supposed Meritocracy, it suddenly is more important to not hurt someone's feelings than being sure you got the best person for the job?
 
The Big Dog said:
I think it's becoming increasingly clear that the left wants accusations of sexual misconduct to be weaponized, although not when one of their own is actually faced with credible accusations, not the nonsense that BK has been exposed to.
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If anybody weaponized accusations of sexual misconduct, it was Kavanaugh, when he was a political operative working for Ken Starr to end a presidency over a consensual relationship between two adults. Let Kav eat some of his own cooking.
 
Bob001 said:
If anybody weaponized accusations of sexual misconduct, it was Kavanaugh, when he was a political operative working for Ken Starr to end a presidency over a consensual relationship between two adults. Let Kav eat some of his own cooking.
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very true.
As Kavanaugh said "what goes around, goes around."
 
phiwum said:
I'd back off this kind of approach. Mocking apparent victims of sexual harassment isn't attractive, whether they're on your side or not.

Plenty of legitimate reasons to disparage Conway. Let's not belittle her claims of suffering from harassment without really good evidence that she's lying, not even if your point is to suggest that the other side is hypocritical.
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It read like satire of one of the major arguments of the "Don't believe Ford" crowd to me, not like it was actually disparaging Conway.
 
Subject for discussion: If Kav attacked Ford, would he really admit it? The only two people in the room other than Ford were allegedly Kav and Judge. If they both deny it indignantly, who can prove they're lying? Ford herself says the others at the party didn't know what happened. It would have been an ordinary night out for them. They had no reason to remember it.

If Kav and Judge stick to their story, they win. That doesn't mean they're telling the truth.

Judge has been accused of being an accomplice. Why isn't he making outraged statements defending his buddy and his own good name? Instead, he had a lawyer write a letter claiming he didn't know nuttin' about nuttin', then he went into hiding. Hardly the behavior of an innocent man unjustly maligned.
 
Bob001 said:
If anybody weaponized accusations of sexual misconduct, it was Kavanaugh, when he was a political operative working for Ken Starr to end a presidency over a consensual relationship between two adults. Let Kav eat some of his own cooking.
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Hoisted on his own petard.

What the hell is a petard? :D:confused:
 
Bob001 said:
If anybody weaponized accusations of sexual misconduct, it was Kavanaugh, when he was a political operative working for Ken Starr to end a presidency over a consensual relationship between two adults. Let Kav eat some of his own cooking.
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Bob001 said:
Subject for discussion: If Kav attacked Ford, would he really admit it? The only two people in the room other than Ford were allegedly Kav and Judge. If they both deny it indignantly, who can prove they're lying? Ford herself says the others at the party didn't know what happened. It would have been an ordinary night out for them. They had no reason to remember it.

If Kav and Judge stick to their story, they win. That doesn't mean they're telling the truth.

Judge has been accused of being an accomplice. Why isn't he making outraged statements defending his buddy and his own good name? Instead, he had a lawyer write a letter claiming he didn't know nuttin' about nuttin', then he went into hiding. Hardly the behavior of an innocent man unjustly maligned.
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It seems Kav and Judge were two peas in a pod tag-teaming along the way with other girls back then.

Ford's allegation isn't the only one claiming the mutts were at the same place and time together. There has been at least one other allegation where Judge was also present.

If Judge admits to Kav's rapey ways, that could potentially implicate himself too. So obviously he's going to deny it to his grave.
 
Lies, lies, and more despicable lies. I am utterly disgusted by the spread of the completely false, absurd, and dangerous lies and conspiracy theories that are being peddled by ultra-right wing pundits, outlets, and websites who are promoting a fraudulent claim that a member of my staff was responsible for the release of the personal information of Members of the United States Senate on Wikipedia. This unfounded allegation is completely false and an absolute lie.

-- Maxine Waters (Sept 29, 2018)
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Sorry Maxine, but you'll have to play by the new rules. An allegation has been leveled against you without any proof at all. Therefore, you are automatically presumed guilty. “Suck it up, Buttercup!”
 
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AnonyMoose said:
It seems Kav and Judge were two peas in a pod tag-teaming along the way with other girls back then.

Ford's allegation isn't the only one claiming the mutts were at the same place and time together. There has been at least one other allegation where Judge was also present.

If Judge admits to Kav's rapey ways, that could potentially implicate himself too. So obviously he's going to deny it to his grave.
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Now there's a post that's just chock full of skepticism!
 
Meadmaker said:
Do you honestly believe that a question about whether he was blackout drunk on a bus trip as a senior (or was it grad student?) at Yale was an attempt to elicit information that would help them determine whether or not he sexually assaulted a girl in high school? Or exposed himself to a girl freshman year of college?

If so, that's very naïve.
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But it goes to the MO (modus operandi.)

The accusations against BK involve or center around his drunkenness, for it's when he's ********* that he becomes Mr. Hyde and gets all fighty and rapey, as alleged. And so it's directly pertinent to explore the issue of his drinking to the point of blackout/memory lapses.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Now there's a post that's just chock full of skepticism!
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Yes.

Skeptical that both Kavanaugh and Mark Judge just happened to coincidentally be together at the time of these allegations from two (or maybe it was three) different women... at different times... at different parties... under the influence of alcohol.

Total coincidence.

No pattern there whatsoever.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Now there's a post that's just chock full of skepticism!
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You think hes wrong? Seriously?

I cannot say with much confidence either way whether Kavanaugh did what he was accused of, but denial to the end of days is pretty much standard for both the legitimately and falsely accused. See, the Ramseys, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, etc etc.
 
I'd love to see Kav and Judge both take polygraph tests. After all, it wasn't so long ago that Kav opined on the legitimacy of such as an investigative tool. Ford took one; will these guys be man enough to keep up?

And I'll chime in on that bitch that is Karma, which Kav is now getting a good taste of after his role in pillorying Bill Clinton over a *consentual* dalliance. Indeed; what goes around comes around. Right, Kav?
 
Bob001 said:
If anybody weaponized accusations of sexual misconduct, it was Kavanaugh, when he was a political operative working for Ken Starr to end a presidency over a consensual relationship between two adults. Let Kav eat some of his own cooking.
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The irony, oh the irony.
 
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AnonyMoose said:
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If Judge admits to Kav's rapey ways, that could potentially implicate himself too. So obviously he's going to deny it to his grave.
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He could always say he tried to stop it, maybe confess he wasn't forceful enough and he was sorry.

For that matter both of them could apologize and we might all be moving on. Instead we have self preservation at Ford's expense. Such Godly men.
 
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