New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

Meadmaker said:
Good thing River said "support".
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Irrelevant, since they don't "support" Kavanaugh either.

As I said, earlier, I do not remember the Berlin Wall coming down. That does not support, confirm or prove that it never happened; the only thing it supports is that I don't remember it happening.
 
Meadmaker said:
Good thing River said "support", rather than either of the words you used.
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Then let me amend my statement to "Their statements support neither Kavanaugh's nor Ford's claims."
Not remembering something is neutral in supporting either claim.
 
smartcooky said:
Irrelevant, since they don't "support" Kavanaugh either.

As I said, earlier, I do not remember the Berlin Wall coming down. That does not support, confirm or prove that it never happened; the only thing it supports is that I don't remember it happening.
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I don't remember farting in your general direction. Does that mean it never happened?
 
Stacyhs said:
Then let me amend my statement to "Their statements support neither Kavanaugh's nor Ford's claims."
Not remembering something is neutral in supporting either claim.
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“I have no memory of this alleged incident,” “do not recall the party” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.” Mark Judge


Patrick J. Smyth, identified by Ford as being among those downstairs at the party, says “I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh.”


“Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, without, Dr. Ford.”
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How are the witnesses supposed to recall something if it never happened? (if Ford made it up) These statements support what Kavanaugh claims, despite the liberal offense taken to it.
 
P.J. said that he had “no knowledge” that the party ever happened and further said that he had never seen BK act improperly toward women.

That ain’t nuetral folks, that is clearly against Ford.
 
River said:
The witness statements DO corroborate the statement made by Kavanaugh. They do not corroborate Ford.

Do they disprove Ford? Nope.

Fords testimony/allegations alone are what they are, a stand alone accusation with no corroborating evidence. I could say the same thing about Kavanaugh, and without any evidence or corroborating witnesses you're left with the same thing we have here. He said she said. Only, she named witnesses that could not corroborate what her statement was. Their statements did in fact corroborate Kavanaughs statement. Spin it any way you like. Matters not to me.

I would not vote to confirm for entirely other reasons.
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No matter how many times you say it, does not make it true.
How does not remembering something support BK 's claim that the party never happened in the first place? Corroboration would be if BK could show he was out of the area for the entire summer of 1982 so he could not have been at any such party. People saying they don't remember a party 36 years ago does not support that it never happened. It's a simple thing. I don't know why you refute that. Or do you think you remember every uneventful, spontaneous, small get together you attended during a summer 36 years ago?
 
I will admit, after looking at transcripts provided, that Kavanaugh did eventually categorically deny that he ever blacked out. But absent a transcript, I don't rely on media summaries. This isn't because they are "fake news." It's because 30 years as an editor taught me that paraphrased quotes often get distorted and are further distorted when people start paraphrasing the paraphrasing. "Mark Judge does not remember such a party" becomes "Mark Judge said it never happened." (I'm paraphrasing).

But I still see evasion on Kavanaugh's part in the way he answered. Especially when he was asked if he'd ever blacked out and he said to the questioner, "Have you?" Also, the way he used so many words and went off on so many tangents to avoid a categorical "no." I give him a strange kind of credit for this.

Bernie Sanders' letter above lays out well the questions that Kavanaugh's testimony has raised.

As far as who in the Ford camp "leaked" - it doesn't matter. It's not illegal and it is largely irrelevant. It's not a smoking gun proving that Democrats are using delaying tactics, but even if it were, so what? Graham, McConnell, Flake, even the lionized McCain embraced blatant obstructionism many times. Dems unanimously approved Scalia and Kennedy, and didn't raise too many questions regarding Gorsuch. Kavanaugh is just an especially bad pick, IMO. Not all loyal legal beagles belong on the Supreme Court.
 
River knows that Kavanaugh was lying in his testimony, Thursday.

River, if the above does not properly reflect your views, then please state them more accurately.
 
Stacyhs said:
Please note my use of "and/or". Judge never claimed the party did not happen but his statement that "I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes," is just another way of saying it never happened as Ford says he was in the room. How could he see the assault and then claim he never say K act in the manner Dr. Ford describes?
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Blackout drunk is certainly still an available option, especially if he was indeed just as drunk as Kavanaugh was claimed to be. Mark Judge is certainly on record as admitting to have acted badly with women while blackout drunk on other occasions.
 
No one ever saw Jeffrey Dahmer eat all those body parts. Therefore, Jeffrey Dahmer never did such a thing.


I never saw my neighbour punch his wife in the face. Therefore, he never acted improperly towards his wife.


I don't remember when, where, or how Carl Sagan died. Therefore, he must still be alive.


I never saw that bear sh** in the forest. Therefore, it didn't happen.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Linky.

If they aren't even allowed to interview Ford (or even Kavanaugh?), that will strengthen the claim that the White House is forcing a sham investigation.
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IINO - Investigation In Name Only

We've been had, there is essentially no investigation

The Big Dog said:
P.J. said that he had “no knowledge” that the party ever happened and further said that he had never seen BK act improperly toward women.
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I have no knowledge that you were ever born, I never saw it happen.

And yet, here you are....
 
I see that the leftists are trying to flip the burden onto the accused.

Now BK has to show he was out of town the whole time . Sure he was out of town most weekends or at other events, but that is not corroboration, I guess, guilty until proven innocent.
 
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“I have no memory of this alleged incident,” “do not recall the party” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.” Mark Judge
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Exactly! He has no memory of it, does not recall. He does not say "This party never happened". Also remember that MJ was a blackout drunk at that time by his own admission. There's a reason whey people who don't want to answer questions use the "I don't recall" line. It's neither a denial nor a confirmation.


Patrick J. Smyth, identified by Ford as being among those downstairs at the party, says “I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh.”
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Again, he never says the party did not happen. If he wasn't in the room, how could he have knowledge of it?
“Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, without, Dr. Ford.”
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If she only met BK once 36 years ago, why should she remember it? Do you remember everyone you were at a party with 36 years ago? Again, she has no recollection of it. She does not say the party or the assault never happened. But she does say she believes Ford.

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“I have no memory of this alleged incident,” “do not recall the party” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.” Mark Judge


Patrick J. Smyth, identified by Ford as being among those downstairs at the party, says “I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh.”

There's a reason why people who don't want to answer questions use the "I don't recall" line. It's neither a denial nor a confirmation. Jeff Sessions Said “I Don’t Remember” or “I Don’t Recall” 26 Times During Senate Intel Testimony.
 
crescent said:
IINO - Investigation In Name Only

We've been had, there is essentially no investigation



I have no knowledge that you were ever born, I never saw it happen.

And yet, here you are....
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I didn’t say you were at my birth, now did I?
 
Meadmaker said:
Good thing River said "support", rather than either of the words you used.
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Stacyhs said:
Then let me amend my statement to "Their statements support neither Kavanaugh's nor Ford's claims."
Not remembering something is neutral in supporting either claim.
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cor·rob·o·rate
/kəˈräbəˌrāt/

verb

confirm or give support to (a statement, theory, or finding).
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Being pedantic doesn't always work.
 
Stacyhs said:
Then let me amend my statement to "Their statements support neither Kavanaugh's nor Ford's claims."
Not remembering something is neutral in supporting either claim.
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Good luck with that. You're dealing with some highly motivated reasoning.
 
AnonyMoose said:
FTFY.

Ever heard of the word "suspect" ?

No ? Then maybe you should look it up.
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Oh sorry, “suspected before proven innocent” it is then.

Most people know that the accused does not have to prove his innocence. Different rules for the targets of the leftists, I reckon.
 
And the Oscar for Best Distortion of What Was Actually Said in an ISF Forum goes to....

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The Big Dog!
 
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