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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

Shalamar said:
I have to go with Baylor on this one. I visited London, and the no go signs were everywhere. I was shot and stabbed even by muslims in a park! They had to ship my body back to the states..

No wait. Nothing like that happened. There are no 'no go' locations in London, The Police are not cowards, and I found London to be a fairly pleasant city to visit and stay in. We walked and took the tube everywhere. Again, no issues. At all.
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Now that is one of the least surprising posts in this thread.

BStrong said:
Common rookie mistake for folks commenting on LE behavior/policy.

Street cops never make the operational policies in a LEA - politicians and LE administrators make the basic decisions on where the street bulls go on a given shift and what to do when they get there. They are also the people who set enforcement policy priority rules and if TPTB want to send every blue-suit on a shift to a specific patrol area they going to do it.

Your observation that the situations detailed in your links are based on officer cowardice isn't valid for those reasons alone.
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In this case, at least one of the videos of "officer cowardice" actually showed the prelude to the knife-wielder getting tasered. Baylor seems to want to have it both ways. UK cops are under-equipped so run away because that is cowardly, and they are cowards because the police tend to go for large numbers of officers to deal with a single knife-wielding person.

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https://youtu.be/YXHorIrLFIc?t=25s



As an aside, last year, I went into Manchester one day, and there happened to be an EDL march and I saw the police escorting them back to Piccadilly station.

There were about a dozen of them, and about twice as many police surrounding them. It makes perfect sense if your goal is public order, to ensure that it's obvious that trying something is not going to get anywhere.
 
Baylor said:
You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing. I believe the chief inspector of constabulary over you. The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.
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I'm at work and it defaults to US Spell check lol.
The 'video evidence' has been cherry picked and in some cases edited. You have no idea what the situation is, what the motivations are, what the officers orders are or who the other people in the video are. In the first clip the officers aren't running, you can see officers in riot gear in the background all making their way in the same direction. The people in the centre are PCSO's (support, not sworn officers) apparently escorting a civvie. Who knows what is going on in that situation? When was it taken? Where? By whom? Without further information you can't say what is happening, let alone draw any conclusions from it.

Also cherry picking your Senior Officer quote, you can easily find more quotes from other officers that tell a completely different story. One source is a data point, not a conclusion. For reference there are around 1600 officers of Chief Inspector rank, most of whom would be unlikely to agree with the article you quoted. I'm sure that they would have other complaints of course :-)

Are the police underfunded and understaffed? Yes. Are there incidents in which police have not behaved appropriately? Of course. Is the country overwhelmed by shady organisations controlling entire districts or cities? Not even slightly true. Unless you include the Tory Party I guess
 
Baylor said:
That someone is posting about occupied territory on what used to be sovereign UK soil is evidence that the police of the UK have handed over their authority of a foreign people.
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No, it’s just evidence that you are posting paranoid nonsense.
 
Her Dark Star said:
I'm at work and it defaults to US Spell check lol.
The 'video evidence' has been cherry picked and in some cases edited. You have no idea what the situation is, what the motivations are, what the officers orders are or who the other people in the video are. In the first clip the officers aren't running, you can see officers in riot gear in the background all making their way in the same direction. The people in the centre are PCSO's (support, not sworn officers) apparently escorting a civvie. Who knows what is going on in that situation? When was it taken? Where? By whom? Without further information you can't say what is happening, let alone draw any conclusions from it.

Also cherry picking your Senior Officer quote, you can easily find more quotes from other officers that tell a completely different story. One source is a data point, not a conclusion. For reference there are around 1600 officers of Chief Inspector rank, most of whom would be unlikely to agree with the article you quoted. I'm sure that they would have other complaints of course :-)

Are the police underfunded and understaffed? Yes. Are there incidents in which police have not behaved appropriately? Of course. Is the country overwhelmed by shady organisations controlling entire districts or cities? Not even slightly true. Unless you include the Tory Party I guess
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I couldn't make out the situation, but to me it looked as though they were escorting some marchers - the quality of the video was such that I would have to take it on trust that Muslims were involved.

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I know that Baylor doesn't have a high opinion of British police, but I am pretty sure that even the stupidest police officer knows that you don't run away backwards.
 
jimbob said:
In what way was it a victory for him to be arrested and for there to be no casualties, and for the police to have used the minimal force required to arrest him?

I'd rather the whole social structure was such that the police thought it worthwhile completely outnumbering the knife-wielding criminal than an outcome where lethal force was used when it obviously wasn't needed.
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I was just going to reply with "containment and no killing, is better than killing", you said it better than me.
 
p0lka said:
I was just going to reply with "containment and no killing, is better than killing", you said it better than me.
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Personally, I liked:

Information Analyst said:
"Yeah, blood, it was well wicked. They pepper sprayed me and TASERed me, and then I woke up in the police van and realised I'd pissed myself, innit?"
"Aw, respect, bruv! I am so looking forward to doing something like that, and ending up piss-soaked in the back of a police van. When iz it you getting out the Scrubs, spar?"
"About five years."
"Safe."
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Her Dark Star said:
I'm at work and it defaults to US Spell check lol.
The 'video evidence' has been cherry picked and in some cases edited. You have no idea what the situation is, what the motivations are, what the officers orders are or who the other people in the video are. In the first clip the officers aren't running, you can see officers in riot gear in the background all making their way in the same direction. The people in the centre are PCSO's (support, not sworn officers) apparently escorting a civvie. Who knows what is going on in that situation? When was it taken? Where? By whom? Without further information you can't say what is happening, let alone draw any conclusions from it.

Also cherry picking your Senior Officer quote, you can easily find more quotes from other officers that tell a completely different story. One source is a data point, not a conclusion. For reference there are around 1600 officers of Chief Inspector rank, most of whom would be unlikely to agree with the article you quoted. I'm sure that they would have other complaints of course :-)

Are the police underfunded and understaffed? Yes. Are there incidents in which police have not behaved appropriately? Of course. Is the country overwhelmed by shady organisations controlling entire districts or cities? Not even slightly true. Unless you include the Tory Party I guess
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That's nice. But I still believe Winsor. I believe the Lancashire Police officer. I believe Rev Michael Nazir-Ali. I believe MP Carswell when he said large number of crimes go unreported. It's obvious parallel societies have emerged in the UK. The police aren't equipped to handle them. Since the police are unwilling and/or incompetent, these societies create their own "rules" and code of conduct from the laws and social norms of their countries of origin.
 
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Baylor said:
Like men, they can tell those breaking rules to get the **** out. Too bad they're cowards though.
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You seem to be under the impression that the police in the UK should be treating things like an "us v them and it's a warzone!" mentality?
If they do not then they are cowards.

That is not how the British police work.
 
Shalamar said:
This has.. what do to with Muslims? It's a Large city, with a high tourist population. In ANY large city, thieves and pickpockets are a problem.

Again, there are no 'no go' areas in London.
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And there were no rape gangs in Rotherham.
 
p0lka said:
You seem to be under the impression that the police in the UK should be treating things like an "us v them and it's a warzone!" mentality?
If they do not then they are cowards.

That is not how the British police work.
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And that's why they suck.
 
p0lka said:
You seem to be under the impression that the police in the UK should be treating things like an "us v them and it's a warzone!" mentality?
If they do not then they are cowards.

That is not how the British police work.
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But it appears to be how too many police in the US work, remember if you aren't shooting unarmed black people you aren't doing proper policing...:rolleyes:
 
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