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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

Whatever. It might give you teh feelztm because it's oh so tolerant but I find it disgusting. It's sick. In a country where little girls get blown up at pop concerts by Islamic terrorists, you shouldn't dare give the same salutes IS does. You people have no loyalty to your own children and displaced loyalty to people who hate you and I find it disgusting.


What are you blathering on about?

The police officers in that photo *certainly* didn't think that anyone was giving an IS salute.

I don't know about the person posing with them, but it is quite possible that he wasn't giving such a salute either.

Next you will be saying that the OK sign is always a white power sign - which is what some in 4chan would like people to believe

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/intern-white-power-hand-gesture/

The “OK” hand gesture hoax originated in February 2017 when an anonymous 4channer announced “Operation O-KKK,” telling other members that “we must flood Twitter and other social media websites…claiming that the OK hand sign is a symbol of white supremacy.” The user even provided a helpful graphic showing how the letters WP (for “white power”) could be traced within an “OK” gesture. The originator and others also suggested useful hashtags to help spread the hoax, such as #PowerHandPrivilege and #NotOkay. “Leftists have dug so deep down into their lunacy,” wrote the poster, “We must force [them] to dig more, until the rest of society ain’t going anywhere near that s***.”

It is now used for that reason, but mostly not.




At work at the moment, so can't cover all the points. However to highlight the accuracy of your information: that photo is not of Talha Asmal and the one finger salute has a long history in multiple cultures, including Rastafarianism, and just refers to One God. It's the equivalent of saying all Christians are KKK members because they've both used a cross and elevates this thread to Poe level status.

Virtually everything you've posted on this subject is sensationalist tripe, deliberately misrepresenting situations and facts. There aren't any 'no-go' areas in the UK. There are problems with the government and police of course, but probably best to discuss individual aspects rather than hyperbolic grand statements.

I will try to answer your posts in more detail when I get home, but for a little context, I'm British born, have lived here my whole life in numerous different parts of the country, I'm a former police officer and also spent almost a decade working in the Home Office on Public order and Counter-terrorism issues. In an odd co-incidence I also knew one of the officers in that photo. While of course I can only offer my opinion for the most part, I do have some relevant experience both of living in the UK and being involved with public order and policing, so I hope that I can help you understand the matter a bit better. Also for reference, in Britain relying on the Mail or Daily Star for information has about the same credibility as InfoWars.

Thank you

A proper metaphorical kicking. Well worth delurking to deliver.
 
Keep making excuses for the incompetence of your police.

ISIS has a new hand sign — and it means far more than ‘We’re #1’

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-04/isis-has-new-hand-sign-and-it-means-far-more-we-re-1

Sydney woman gives Isis salute after guilty verdict

Outside Sydney’s Downing Centre local court on Friday, Elzahed gave the Isis one-finger salute while her friend called journalists “cockroaches”


https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-woman-gives-isis-salute-after-guilty-verdict

ISIS Sends a Message

The curious thing was not the head Bary held in his left hand -- however ghoulish the trophy -- but the gesture he made with his right. For followers of ISIS, a single raised index finger has become a sign of their cause, and it is increasingly common in photographs of militants.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2014-09-03/isis-sends-message
 
Keep making excuses for the incompetence of your police.

ISIS has a new hand sign — and it means far more than ‘We’re #1’

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-04/isis-has-new-hand-sign-and-it-means-far-more-we-re-1

Sydney woman gives Isis salute after guilty verdict

Outside Sydney’s Downing Centre local court on Friday, Elzahed gave the Isis one-finger salute while her friend called journalists “cockroaches”


https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-woman-gives-isis-salute-after-guilty-verdict

ISIS Sends a Message

The curious thing was not the head Bary held in his left hand -- however ghoulish the trophy -- but the gesture he made with his right. For followers of ISIS, a single raised index finger has become a sign of their cause, and it is increasingly common in photographs of militants.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2014-09-03/isis-sends-message

Er. My point was made rather more succinctly by Information Analyst:

Or maybe because most people - including coppers - don't spend all day wanking themselves into a frenzy over ISIS videos, they're unaware of the meaning that you insist the gesture can only have?
 
It's so sweet. someone caring about us Europeans.

gifcussions have never impressed me much.
 
You want to come across as an authority then you showed you are not. Daily Mail is not analogous to infowars. Nor did I only cite what you think are "sensationalist" media. Guardian and the Times, I'm sure you think are "credible" both stating there are effectively no-go zones.
The mail is a mainstream tabloid, yes. However it has virtually no credibility and is famous for it's poor reporting, sensationalist headlines with articles that fail to back them up and extreme bias. While it's stature is different to infowars it's reliability is much the same.
Guardian and Times are slightly better, but aren't above using whatever headline will grab attention either, that's the nature of newspapers. You'll also note though that they are both only reporting what someone has said, they have not investigated the claim or stated that it is correct. It is true that the person said it, but the claim is not verified.

I'm definitely not an authority on anything and you shouldn't take anything I say as gospel of course. However I have lived in the country you are discussing my entire life (I'm over 40 unfortunately) and have spent most of my career involved in the kind of things you're posting about. I'm a little out of touch now, but I'm still living here every day, I have have friends are still in the police and related organisations and of course know lots more people who live here who aren't involved in the police or government at all. But no one, Police or not, would recognize the country you're describing as being even remotely true.
I don't expect you take my word on anything, it is just my own view, but you may wish to lend some weight to the fact that all of the people who have responded on the thread so far who list themselves as living in the UK seem to be in agreement that your posts do not reflect the reality we experience every day here.
 
The mail is a mainstream tabloid, yes. However it has virtually no credibility and is famous for it's poor reporting, sensationalist headlines with articles that fail to back them up and extreme bias. While it's stature is different to infowars it's reliability is much the same.
Guardian and Times are slightly better, but aren't above using whatever headline will grab attention either, that's the nature of newspapers. You'll also note though that they are both only reporting what someone has said, they have not investigated the claim or stated that it is correct. It is true that the person said it, but the claim is not verified.

I'm definitely not an authority on anything and you shouldn't take anything I say as gospel of course. However I have lived in the country you are discussing my entire life (I'm over 40 unfortunately) and have spent most of my career involved in the kind of things you're posting about. I'm a little out of touch now, but I'm still living here every day, I have have friends are still in the police and related organisations and of course know lots more people who live here who aren't involved in the police or government at all. But no one, Police or not, would recognize the country you're describing as being even remotely true.
I don't expect you take my word on anything, it is just my own view, but you may wish to lend some weight to the fact that all of the people who have responded on the thread so far who list themselves as living in the UK seem to be in agreement that your posts do not reflect the reality we experience every day here.

You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing. I believe the chief inspector of constabulary over you. The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.
 
You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing. I believe the chief inspector of constabulary over you. The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.

MEH. And judging by your posting style you're not originally from Spokane or the US ...
 
Common rookie mistake for folks commenting on LE behavior/policy.

Street cops never make the operational policies in a LEA - politicians and LE administrators make the basic decisions on where the street bulls go on a given shift and what to do when they get there. They are also the people who set enforcement policy priority rules and if TPTB want to send every blue-suit on a shift to a specific patrol area they going to do it.

Your observation that the situations detailed in your links are based on officer cowardice isn't valid for those reasons alone.
 
I have to go with Baylor on this one. I visited London, and the no go signs were everywhere. I was shot and stabbed even by muslims in a park! They had to ship my body back to the states..

No wait. Nothing like that happened. There are no 'no go' locations in London, The Police are not cowards, and I found London to be a fairly pleasant city to visit and stay in. We walked and took the tube everywhere. Again, no issues. At all.
 
You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing. I believe the chief inspector of constabulary over you. The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.

Wut?


That is barking.

And Venom wasn't making a threat, as much as a comment on the validity of your interpretation of very dubious and slanted media.
 
I have to go with Baylor on this one. I visited London, and the no go signs were everywhere. I was shot and stabbed even by muslims in a park! They had to ship my body back to the states..

No wait. Nothing like that happened. There are no 'no go' locations in London, The Police are not cowards, and I found London to be a fairly pleasant city to visit and stay in. We walked and took the tube everywhere. Again, no issues. At all.


Good for you. Others haven't been so lucky. That's why there are warning everywhere.

https://i.imgur.com/2IdiXFN.jpg
 

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