The behaviour of UK police officers.

[Matthew Best]

Also for reference, in Britain relying on the Mail or Daily Star for information has about the same credibility as InfoWars.

He's probably taking that as a recommendation.

 

[Baylor]

He's probably taking that as a recommendation.

God these jokes are bad.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

In a disgusting display of submission, betrayal, cowardice, UK Police display ISIS Jihadi Finger Salute with muslim.

[qimg]https://i.imgtc.com/iUiQryz.jpg[/qimg]​

"In the last photo taken before he blew himself up in a dusty battlefield in northern Iraq, 17-year-old Briton Talha Asmal sat in the front seat of a car with a single finger on his right hand pointing skywards.

The salute has become common in Islamic State (Isis) propaganda, both from the battlefield and in the final minutes before a shaheed – or martyr – embarks on a suicide bombing."

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-what-story-behind-islamic-state-one-fingered-salute-1506249

You owe me a new pair of pants as I've just pissed myself laughing.

 

[Her Dark Star]

He's probably taking that as a recommendation.

Ah, in which case it may not be worth engaging the posts at all!

 

[Information Analyst]

Now that's a no-go area

Bird 'flu in a box...

 

[Baylor]

At work at the moment, so can't cover all the points. However to highlight the accuracy of your information: that photo is not of Talha Asmal and the one finger salute has a long history in multiple cultures, including Rastafarianism, and just refers to One God. It's the equivalent of saying all Christians are KKK members because they've both used a cross and elevates this thread to Poe level status.

Virtually everything you've posted on this subject is sensationalist tripe, deliberately misrepresenting situations and facts. There aren't any 'no-go' areas in the UK. There are problems with the government and police of course, but probably best to discuss individual aspects rather than hyperbolic grand statements.

I will try to answer your posts in more detail when I get home, but for a little context, I'm British born, have lived here my whole life in numerous different parts of the country, I'm a former police officer and also spent almost a decade working in the Home Office on Public order and Counter-terrorism issues. In an odd co-incidence I also knew one of the officers in that photo. While of course I can only offer my opinion for the most part, I do have some relevant experience both of living in the UK and being involved with public order and policing, so I hope that I can help you understand the matter a bit better. Also for reference, in Britain relying on the Mail or Daily Star for information has about the same credibility as InfoWars.

You want to come across as an authority then you showed you are not. Daily Mail is not analogous to infowars. Nor did I only cite what you think are "sensationalist" media. Guardian and the Times, I'm sure you think are "credible" both stating there are effectively no-go zones.

 

[Information Analyst]

Whatever. It might give you teh feelz^tm because it's oh so tolerant but I find it disgusting. It's sick. In a country where little girls get blown up at pop concerts by Islamic terrorists, you shouldn't dare give the same salutes IS does. You people have no loyalty to your own children and displaced loyalty to people who hate you and I find it disgusting.

Or maybe because most people - including coppers - don't spend all day wanking themselves into a frenzy over ISIS videos, they're unaware of the meaning that you insist the gesture can only have?

 

[jimbob]

Whatever. It might give you teh feelz^tm because it's oh so tolerant but I find it disgusting. It's sick. In a country where little girls get blown up at pop concerts by Islamic terrorists, you shouldn't dare give the same salutes IS does. You people have no loyalty to your own children and displaced loyalty to people who hate you and I find it disgusting.

What are you blathering on about?

The police officers in that photo *certainly* didn't think that anyone was giving an IS salute.

I don't know about the person posing with them, but it is quite possible that he wasn't giving such a salute either.

Next you will be saying that the OK sign is always a white power sign - which is what some in 4chan would like people to believe

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/intern-white-power-hand-gesture/

The “OK” hand gesture hoax originated in February 2017 when an anonymous 4channer announced “Operation O-KKK,” telling other members that “we must flood Twitter and other social media websites…claiming that the OK hand sign is a symbol of white supremacy.” The user even provided a helpful graphic showing how the letters WP (for “white power”) could be traced within an “OK” gesture. The originator and others also suggested useful hashtags to help spread the hoax, such as #PowerHandPrivilege and #NotOkay. “Leftists have dug so deep down into their lunacy,” wrote the poster, “We must force [them] to dig more, until the rest of society ain’t going anywhere near that s***.”

It is now used for that reason, but mostly not.

At work at the moment, so can't cover all the points. However to highlight the accuracy of your information: that photo is not of Talha Asmal and the one finger salute has a long history in multiple cultures, including Rastafarianism, and just refers to One God. It's the equivalent of saying all Christians are KKK members because they've both used a cross and elevates this thread to Poe level status.

Virtually everything you've posted on this subject is sensationalist tripe, deliberately misrepresenting situations and facts. There aren't any 'no-go' areas in the UK. There are problems with the government and police of course, but probably best to discuss individual aspects rather than hyperbolic grand statements.

I will try to answer your posts in more detail when I get home, but for a little context, I'm British born, have lived here my whole life in numerous different parts of the country, I'm a former police officer and also spent almost a decade working in the Home Office on Public order and Counter-terrorism issues. In an odd co-incidence I also knew one of the officers in that photo. While of course I can only offer my opinion for the most part, I do have some relevant experience both of living in the UK and being involved with public order and policing, so I hope that I can help you understand the matter a bit better. Also for reference, in Britain relying on the Mail or Daily Star for information has about the same credibility as InfoWars.

Thank you

A proper metaphorical kicking. Well worth delurking to deliver.

 

[Baylor]

You owe me a new pair of pants as I've just pissed myself laughing.

This is so not offensive.

 

[Information Analyst]

God these jokes are bad.

You certainly need to work on your material. You can't do observational comedy separated by several thousand miles of ocean.

 

[Baylor]

Keep making excuses for the incompetence of your police.

ISIS has a new hand sign — and it means far more than ‘We’re #1’

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-04/isis-has-new-hand-sign-and-it-means-far-more-we-re-1

Sydney woman gives Isis salute after guilty verdict

Outside Sydney’s Downing Centre local court on Friday, Elzahed gave the Isis one-finger salute while her friend called journalists “cockroaches”


https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-woman-gives-isis-salute-after-guilty-verdict

ISIS Sends a Message

The curious thing was not the head Bary held in his left hand -- however ghoulish the trophy -- but the gesture he made with his right. For followers of ISIS, a single raised index finger has become a sign of their cause, and it is increasingly common in photographs of militants.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2014-09-03/isis-sends-message

 

[zooterkin]

Mmmm, Sebastian Vettel, well know ISIS supporter.

[qimg]http://www.discoverrisk.co.uk/images/Sebastian%20V.bmp[/qimg]

Not to mention that other well-known ISIS sympathiser, Alan Shearer.

 

[jimbob]

Keep making excuses for the incompetence of your police.

ISIS has a new hand sign — and it means far more than ‘We’re #1’

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-04/isis-has-new-hand-sign-and-it-means-far-more-we-re-1

Sydney woman gives Isis salute after guilty verdict

Outside Sydney’s Downing Centre local court on Friday, Elzahed gave the Isis one-finger salute while her friend called journalists “cockroaches”


https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-woman-gives-isis-salute-after-guilty-verdict

ISIS Sends a Message

The curious thing was not the head Bary held in his left hand -- however ghoulish the trophy -- but the gesture he made with his right. For followers of ISIS, a single raised index finger has become a sign of their cause, and it is increasingly common in photographs of militants.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2014-09-03/isis-sends-message

Er. My point was made rather more succinctly by Information Analyst:

Or maybe because most people - including coppers - don't spend all day wanking themselves into a frenzy over ISIS videos, they're unaware of the meaning that you insist the gesture can only have?

 

[kayle]

It's so sweet. someone caring about us Europeans.

gifcussions have never impressed me much.

 

[jimbob]

Not to mention that other well-known ISIS sympathiser, Alan Shearer.

And Bob Marley:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/bob-marley-photos#4

 

[Her Dark Star]

You want to come across as an authority then you showed you are not. Daily Mail is not analogous to infowars. Nor did I only cite what you think are "sensationalist" media. Guardian and the Times, I'm sure you think are "credible" both stating there are effectively no-go zones.

The mail is a mainstream tabloid, yes. However it has virtually no credibility and is famous for it's poor reporting, sensationalist headlines with articles that fail to back them up and extreme bias. While it's stature is different to infowars it's reliability is much the same.
Guardian and Times are slightly better, but aren't above using whatever headline will grab attention either, that's the nature of newspapers. You'll also note though that they are both only reporting what someone has said, they have not investigated the claim or stated that it is correct. It is true that the person said it, but the claim is not verified.

I'm definitely not an authority on anything and you shouldn't take anything I say as gospel of course. However I have lived in the country you are discussing my entire life (I'm over 40 unfortunately) and have spent most of my career involved in the kind of things you're posting about. I'm a little out of touch now, but I'm still living here every day, I have have friends are still in the police and related organisations and of course know lots more people who live here who aren't involved in the police or government at all. But no one, Police or not, would recognize the country you're describing as being even remotely true.
I don't expect you take my word on anything, it is just my own view, but you may wish to lend some weight to the fact that all of the people who have responded on the thread so far who list themselves as living in the UK seem to be in agreement that your posts do not reflect the reality we experience every day here.

 

[Venom]

Baylor you live in Spokane.

And this is the International Skeptics Forum.

Be careful.

 

[Baylor]

The mail is a mainstream tabloid, yes. However it has virtually no credibility and is famous for it's poor reporting, sensationalist headlines with articles that fail to back them up and extreme bias. While it's stature is different to infowars it's reliability is much the same.
Guardian and Times are slightly better, but aren't above using whatever headline will grab attention either, that's the nature of newspapers. You'll also note though that they are both only reporting what someone has said, they have not investigated the claim or stated that it is correct. It is true that the person said it, but the claim is not verified.

I'm definitely not an authority on anything and you shouldn't take anything I say as gospel of course. However I have lived in the country you are discussing my entire life (I'm over 40 unfortunately) and have spent most of my career involved in the kind of things you're posting about. I'm a little out of touch now, but I'm still living here every day, I have have friends are still in the police and related organisations and of course know lots more people who live here who aren't involved in the police or government at all. But no one, Police or not, would recognize the country you're describing as being even remotely true.
I don't expect you take my word on anything, it is just my own view, but you may wish to lend some weight to the fact that all of the people who have responded on the thread so far who list themselves as living in the UK seem to be in agreement that your posts do not reflect the reality we experience every day here.

You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing. I believe the chief inspector of constabulary over you. The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.

 

[Baylor]

Baylor you live in Spokane.

And this is the International Skeptics Forum.

Be careful.

Most pathetic threat ever.

 

[Venom]

threat?