The behaviour of UK police officers.

[Information Analyst]

Great exposé on the state of British Police.

How would you know?

 

[Manger Douse]

"Yeah, blood, it was well wicked. They pepper sprayed me and TASERed me, and then I woke up in the police van and realised I'd pissed myself, innit?"
"Aw, respect, bruv! I am so looking forward to doing something like that, and ending up piss-soaked in the back of a police van. When iz it you getting out the Scrubs, spar?"
"About five years."
"Safe."

Perfect - as a former resident of Brixton, Hackney and Tottenham (and St. Paul's and Easton) I'm intrigued as to where these police no-go areas are too because I was squatting when I lived there and this would have been very handy to know about!

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[baron]

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I can assure you that we are not huddled under our beds out of fear....

That's true, we're not, but at the same time the undoubted hyperbole and inaccurate conclusions of the OP does mask fundamental and worsening issues within the UK police. There are many factors at play, from the increasingly absurd recruitment policies and lack of training to a commitment to criminalise provocative legal activities instead of preserving the domain of free speech and addressing criminality as and when it arises. It is rarely, as the OP seems to believe, an issue of wilful cowardice by individual officers, rather that they operate in an increasingly ineffective and restrictive framework. As for the point about Muslims, I've seen a number of videos claiming that the police are going easy on Muslim communities out of, essentially, cowardice. This is true, but it's not the cowardice of the rank and file police officers, but of those in charge, the top brass. The one thing they fear most is that certain Muslim communities may be pushed too far, whether by verbal criticism or an attempt to implement basic law enforcement, and that the resulting disorder could not be contained. Not making the criminals angry is the new priority, even if it means projecting an unwholesome image to the wider public and restricting their rights into the same bargain. Individual officers are not to blame for this, and are often frustrated at being prevented from doing the job they signed up for.

 

[Information Analyst]

Perfect - as a former resident of Brixton, Hackney and Tottenham (and St. Paul's and Easton) I'm intrigued as to where these police no-go areas are too because I was squatting when I lived there and this would have been very handy to know about!

Yeah, Wood Green and Lewisham for me, as well as working in Tooting and Lambeth. Obviously we lack the insight that sitting behind a computer screen in Spokane would have given us....

 

[catsmate]

A man who claims he was "forced" to take early retirement (with a nice fat payout) because of his "edgy" political views. Not exactly an unbiased source, then.



"Cuts in police budgets of hundreds of millions of pounds mean there are now 121,929 officers in England and Wales – nearly 22,000 fewer than eight years ago, say rank-and-file leaders."

So nothing really to do with "cowardice," Muslims, or whatever your bête de jour is.

Nope, plenty to with the Conservative government and it's desperate desire to avoid spending money though.

 

[Baylor]

In a disgusting display of submission, betrayal, cowardice, UK Police display ISIS Jihadi Finger Salute with muslim.

https://i.imgtc.com/iUiQryz.jpg

"In the last photo taken before he blew himself up in a dusty battlefield in northern Iraq, 17-year-old Briton Talha Asmal sat in the front seat of a car with a single finger on his right hand pointing skywards.

The salute has become common in Islamic State (Isis) propaganda, both from the battlefield and in the final minutes before a shaheed – or martyr – embarks on a suicide bombing."

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-what-story-behind-islamic-state-one-fingered-salute-1506249

 

[Manger Douse]

Yeah, Wood Green and Lewisham for me, as well as working in Tooting and Lambeth. Obviously we lack the insight that sitting behind a computer screen in Spokane would have given us....

Wood Green eh? There's a lot of really nice kebab shops there if you know what I mean...

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[Baylor]

That's true, we're not, but at the same time the undoubted hyperbole and inaccurate conclusions of the OP does mask fundamental and worsening issues within the UK police. There are many factors at play, from the increasingly absurd recruitment policies and lack of training to a commitment to criminalise provocative legal activities instead of preserving the domain of free speech and addressing criminality as and when it arises. It is rarely, as the OP seems to believe, an issue of wilful cowardice by individual officers, rather that they operate in an increasingly ineffective and restrictive framework. As for the point about Muslims, I've seen a number of videos claiming that the police are going easy on Muslim communities out of, essentially, cowardice. This is true, but it's not the cowardice of the rank and file police officers, but of those in charge, the top brass. The one thing they fear most is that certain Muslim communities may be pushed too far, whether by verbal criticism or an attempt to implement basic law enforcement, and that the resulting disorder could not be contained. Not making the criminals angry is the new priority, even if it means projecting an unwholesome image to the wider public and restricting their rights into the same bargain. Individual officers are not to blame for this, and are often frustrated at being prevented from doing the job they signed up for.

Thanks for the reasonable reply. I get the "just following orders" from the rank and file, but there comes a point in a man's life when he says enough is enough. They shouldn't deign to dress up in high heels, where women's clothes, all for the sake of some misguided view of "tolerance" or "diversity." If supervisors are grossly naive and incompetent like the UK police, this can give the opportunity for rank and file officers to demonstrate leadership that UK police so obviously lack.

I noticed this lack of understanding of the unique problems "multiculturalism" presents from the European posters when I signed up here ten years ago. They have such a naive view of race relations I'm really bemused by the whole thing. The immaturity they demonstrate is mind-boggling. Grown men would rather stick their head in the sand than prevent girls from being raped. Gay Brits kowtow to people who openly want to throw them off rooftops.

 

[Information Analyst]

In a disgusting display of submission, betrayal, cowardice, UK Police display ISIS Jihadi Finger Salute with muslim.

That's a gesture that long predates ISIS. I guess we have to add it to the ever-growing list of things that don't mean what you think they mean.

 

[Information Analyst]

Wood Green eh? There's a lot of really nice kebab shops there if you know what I mean...

Certainly preferable to Chicken Cottage.

 

[Baylor]

That's a gesture that long predates ISIS. I guess we have to add it to the ever-growing list of things that don't mean what you think they mean.

So was the roman salute and swastika.

 

[jimbob]

In a disgusting display of submission, betrayal, cowardice, UK Police display ISIS Jihadi Finger Salute with muslim.

https://i.imgtc.com/iUiQryz.jpg

"In the last photo taken before he blew himself up in a dusty battlefield in northern Iraq, 17-year-old Briton Talha Asmal sat in the front seat of a car with a single finger on his right hand pointing skywards.

The salute has become common in Islamic State (Isis) propaganda, both from the battlefield and in the final minutes before a shaheed – or martyr – embarks on a suicide bombing."

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-what-story-behind-islamic-state-one-fingered-salute-1506249

From your link

"The one" was actually a recognised gesture by Muslims long before IS and signified the tawhid, the belief in the oneness of God. It would traditionally be used during prayer or sermons.

 

[Garrison]

Why aren't you bothered your police are cowards?

Because we don't live in the alternate universe you appear to inhabit.

 

[Manger Douse]

Certainly preferable to Chicken Cottage.

Now that's a no-go area

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[Baylor]

From your link

From my link

The salute has become common in Islamic State (Isis) propaganda, both from the battlefield and in the final minutes before a shaheed – or martyr – embarks on a suicide bombing

It also has a solid jihadi pedigree, said Rita Katz, director of SITE Intelligence Group.

"The gesture has been used by jihadis for years, including high profile ones like Osama bin Laden. Within the jihadi context, the raised index finger takes on political meaning as well, widely rejecting any form of government not under Shariah law," she said.

 

[jimbob]

If that person posing with the police was indeed giving an IS finger salute, and the police officers suspected that he was, then I'd agree that they were being cowar

But they didn't, and I am not entirely convinced by the first, either.

 

[fagin]

Mmmm, Sebastian Vettel, well know ISIS supporter.

http://www.discoverrisk.co.uk/images/Sebastian V.bmp

 

[Baylor]

If that person posing with the police was indeed giving an IS finger salute, and the police officers suspected that he was, then I'd agree that they were being cowar

But they didn't, and I am not entirely convinced by the first, either.

Whatever. It might give you teh feelz^tm because it's oh so tolerant but I find it disgusting. It's sick. In a country where little girls get blown up at pop concerts by Islamic terrorists, you shouldn't dare give the same salutes IS does. You people have no loyalty to your own children and displaced loyalty to people who hate you and I find it disgusting.

 

[Baylor]

Mmmm, Sebastian Vettel, well know ISIS supporter.

[qimg]http://www.discoverrisk.co.uk/images/Sebastian%20V.bmp[/qimg]

ISIS supporter

 

[Her Dark Star]

At work at the moment, so can't cover all the points. However to highlight the accuracy of your information: that photo is not of Talha Asmal and the one finger salute has a long history in multiple cultures, including Rastafarianism, and just refers to One God. It's the equivalent of saying all Christians are KKK members because they've both used a cross and elevates this thread to Poe level status.

Virtually everything you've posted on this subject is sensationalist tripe, deliberately misrepresenting situations and facts. There aren't any 'no-go' areas in the UK. There are problems with the government and police of course, but probably best to discuss individual aspects rather than hyperbolic grand statements.

I will try to answer your posts in more detail when I get home, but for a little context, I'm British born, have lived here my whole life in numerous different parts of the country, I'm a former police officer and also spent almost a decade working in the Home Office on Public order and Counter-terrorism issues. In an odd co-incidence I also knew one of the officers in that photo. While of course I can only offer my opinion for the most part, I do have some relevant experience both of living in the UK and being involved with public order and policing, so I hope that I can help you understand the matter a bit better. Also for reference, in Britain relying on the Mail or Daily Star for information has about the same credibility as InfoWars.