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The Big Dog said:
The Ford investigation is mostly done.
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Uhhh... no, its not.

They have to interview Judge (and potentially the others that were at the party). Then they need to interview people in Kavanaugh's social circle at the time to see how credible the drinking allegations were (since Kavanaugh made such a big deal about how he "never got blackout drunk".)

They may also want to interview Renate to verify just what a "Renate Alumni" was, since that may illustrate a patter in his high school behavior.
The Yale gal story will not take long to investigate.
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The supposed parties that Kavanaugh had many attendees and the FBI will probably want to interview many of them to see if any consistent pattern results. Plus, they will need to follow up with his roomate who said Kavanaugh was a "mean drunk" to see if it can be tied to any incidents.
Avenatti is a grifter and will probably refuse to let his client cooperate
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Big assumption on your part. The fact that you don't like Avenatti or think he's a publicity hound does not mean that he will not allow his client to cooperate. (And he has said publicly that he has additional witnesses that he wants to testify.)

Plus, even outside her direct cooperation, interviewing others in Kavanaugh's social circle would likely turn up witnesses to the types of parties Kavanaugh was accused of attending. Plus, we already know of Judge's Ex-girlfriend (Elisabeth Rasor) who has stated that Judge told her about some of the events at the parties.

All those people need to be interviewed, the results compared for contradictions and similarities, and the confidence in each statement determined.

And all this is assuming the investigation does not turn up any physical evidence (like pictures/video of Kavanaugh at a party).
 
Belz... said:
Me too: decent people and asshats, respectively.
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So you're not planning on reproducing?

Joke, just a joke. I'm quite fond of Belz..., honest! We often disagree, but in a friendly manner more or less. (This is for the moderators, obviously. )
 
bytewizard said:
Don't forget about the new charges to come next week(from protected sources):
Kavanaugh was a serial animal abuser;
Kavanaugh was the Junior Wizard of his local KKK.
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Or, worst of all, he sent some emails from the wrong computer........
 
Stacyhs said:
What bothered me most about Kavanaugh yesterday in no particular order:

1. His lack of control over his emotions.
2. His anger, belligerence, aggressiveness.
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On these two points . . .

How would you feel in his position? Let's for a moment give him the benefit of the doubt (I know; it's difficult) and the presumption of innocence. If he did not do the things he has been accused of, I can understand the anger and lack of emotional control. These kinds of accusations are extremely serious and can wreak havoc with his family, friends, current position, public perception, etc.

I can only say that if I were in his shoes, I might lose it too. I don't think we should demand that our SCOTUS judges be robots.

3. His evasiveness on issues, most importantly re the FBI investigation.
4. His downplaying of his excessive drinking despite numerous statements otherwise by people who knew him at the time.
5. His refusal to admit that "Bart O'Kavanaugh" in Judge's book referred to him.
6. His claim that being the "ralphing winner" was connected to a "sensitive stomach" with food.
7. His claim that "boofing" refereed to "farts".
8. His claim that "Devil's Triangle' was a drinking game.
9. His claim that "Renate's Alumnius" was a sign of her "being one of the group".
10. His repeated, evasive tactic of resorting to listing all of his achievements and choir boy dedication to his studies and virginity instead of directly answering questions.
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Here, I find more agreement with you.
 
It will be interesting to see what the FBI conclude from examining the original of the calendar. Any recent additions or alterations should, in a sane world, be terminal for this man's promotion.
 
I blame Star Wars.

When did anger become a bad thing? It's "the dark side" these days. Let's see. He is being publicly accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, and serial rape. And he's being questioned about drinking habits from over 30 years ago. Let's see how he reacts. Oh....he's angry. It must be true then.

WTF?

And what is it with "I believe her because she sounded sincere?" That isn't even as reliable as a polygraph.

Well, the FBI investigation will happen, so we'll get some more information. Will it be anything besides gossip. Be careful what you wish for, Democratic senators.

One source I hope gets questioned is the therapist. She wrote in her notes that Ms. Ford was attacked by four guys. Ms. Ford said the therapist made a mistake. I wonder if that's true. Was it a passing comment, where the mistake would be understandable, or did they discuss it at length? That's a pretty big difference.



I feel sorry for the people who will have to be bothered by questions about their party experiences 35 years ago. I hope their statements will be confidential, because if not then they'll be subject to extreme scrutiny by amateur "researchers" for decades to come.


Oh, well. Stay tuned. My prediction: The investigation will turn up no evidence of sexual assault, but neither will it clear Kavanaugh. (How could it?) So, Democrats will say that he shouldn't be confirmed because there is a cloud of suspicion over him, and besides he lied about drinking in high school.
 
phiwum said:
What point do you think you've made?
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Shsh!! He's inadvertently told us our position is half way up the slope. It's only going to get easier from here. We can finally shed our Rarefied Air of Our Own Smugness Re-Breather Backpacks™ with its clumsy, ill-fitting hardware and reacquaint ourselves with the glorious, natural taste of the Rarefied Air of the Moral High Ground! It's been too long!
 
Meadmaker said:
I blame Star Wars.

When did anger become a bad thing? It's "the dark side" these days. Let's see. He is being publicly accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, and serial rape. And he's being questioned about drinking habits from over 30 years ago. Let's see how he reacts. Oh....he's angry. It must be true then.

WTF?

And what is it with "I believe her because she sounded sincere?" That isn't even as reliable as a polygraph.

Well, the FBI investigation will happen, so we'll get some more information. Will it be anything besides gossip. Be careful what you wish for, Democratic senators.

One source I hope gets questioned is the therapist. She wrote in her notes that Ms. Ford was attacked by four guys. Ms. Ford said the therapist made a mistake. I wonder if that's true. Was it a passing comment, where the mistake would be understandable, or did they discuss it at length? That's a pretty big difference.

I feel sorry for the people who will have to be bothered by questions about their party experiences 35 years ago. I hope their statements will be confidential, because if not then they'll be subject to extreme scrutiny by amateur "researchers" for decades to come.

Oh, well. Stay tuned. My prediction: The investigation will turn up no evidence of sexual assault, but neither will it clear Kavanaugh. (How could it?) So, Democrats will say that he shouldn't be confirmed because there is a cloud of suspicion over him, and besides he lied about drinking in high school.
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Things add up about people. If all there was Ms Ford's testimony, I might agree with you. The problem is, there is much more than that. And acting like a belligerent moron during a committee hearing says a lot about who he is as a person. We are making a man a judge for life. We don't need ass holes to be a justice. Ever hear the term judicial temperament?

Everything about this guy screams that he is unfit. Move on to the next guy on the list.
 
Meadmaker said:
I blame Star Wars.

When did anger become a bad thing? It's "the dark side" these days. Let's see. He is being publicly accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, and serial rape. And he's being questioned about drinking habits from over 30 years ago. Let's see how he reacts. Oh....he's angry. It must be true then.
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There's nothing wrong with defending himself forcefully against false charges -- if they are. Where he went over the line, especially for someone who is expected to display a non-partisan judicial temperament, is when he claimed his accusers were motivated by revenge for Clinton's loss, were bent on destroying his life, wrecking the Supreme Court, etc., etc. Watch his actual testimony. He was belligerent and aggressive toward Senators, weepy, self-pitying, mean-spirited and worse. One commentator said that after his performance, she now believes he is capable today of what he's accused of as a teenager. He's allowed to be angry. He's not allowed to go off the deep end.

Brett Kavanaugh appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday an angry, vengeful man. He was belligerent and partisan, blaming allegations of sexual misconduct on a conspiracy of Democrats and “leftists” on behalf of “the Clintons.” He was curt and dismissive, shouting over Democratic committee members. And he was evasive and dishonest, answering pertinent questions about alcohol consumption with petulant dissembling. “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I, the boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer,” he said in response to Sen. Dianne Feinstein. In one exchange with Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, he mockingly asked her (later apologizing) if she ever drank to excess, a major breach of decorum for the subject of a hearing, let alone a federal judge.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-likely-backlash.html
 
Meadmaker said:
...Oh, well. Stay tuned. My prediction: The investigation will turn up no evidence of sexual assault, but neither will it clear Kavanaugh. (How could it?) So, Democrats will say that he shouldn't be confirmed because there is a cloud of suspicion over him, and besides he lied about drinking in high school.
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"The Democrats aren't being team players" is a little old schoool don't you think?
 
acbytesla said:
Things add up about people. If all there was Ms Ford's testimony, I might agree with you. The problem is, there is much more than that. And acting like a belligerent moron during a committee hearing says a lot about who he is as a person. We are making a man a judge for life. We don't need ass holes to be a justice. Ever hear the term judicial temperament?

Everything about this guy screams that he is unfit. Move on to the next guy on the list.
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I didn't like his less than honest approach to some questions. However, his anger didn't bother me a bit. When they started harping on his drinking and possible blackouts, I really wish he would have said, "Yeah. So what?"

However, he didn't. Instead, if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt he displayed a Clintonesque sort of lying, in which he said something which would be true, if interpreted in a specific manner.

The worst thing about it was that I think he did the same thing about the more substantive parts of his record during the "regular" hearings. He doesn't strike me as particularly honest.

But the anger? From him, or from Lindsey Graham? I have no problem with it. It actually seems a pretty appropriate response.
 
xjx388 said:
On these two points . . .

Originally Posted by Stacyhs
What bothered me most about Kavanaugh yesterday in no particular order:

1. His lack of control over his emotions.
2. His anger, belligerence, aggressiveness.
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How would you feel in his position? Let's for a moment give him the benefit of the doubt (I know; it's difficult) and the presumption of innocence. If he did not do the things he has been accused of, I can understand the anger and lack of emotional control. These kinds of accusations are extremely serious and can wreak havoc with his family, friends, current position, public perception, etc.

I can only say that if I were in his shoes, I might lose it too. I don't think we should demand that our SCOTUS judges be robots.


Here, I find more agreement with you.
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I understand how he felt but his behavior demonstrated a lack of self-control and good judgment. He came into the chamber angry and on the attack. His behavior was not a spontaneous reaction to hearing the allegations for the first time and being unprepared for it or a reaction to the questioning. Ford's story has been out there for some time now. He was angry, aggressive and belligerent out of choice from the beginning.

Ford was under equal stress yet kept her emotions much more under control and was neither aggressive nor belligerent when she gave her opening statement or during questioning. Kavanaugh's behavior was unacceptable for a federal judge testifying before the SJC and the public.
 
Meadmaker said:
I blame Star Wars.

When did anger become a bad thing? It's "the dark side" these days. Let's see. He is being publicly accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, and serial rape. And he's being questioned about drinking habits from over 30 years ago. Let's see how he reacts. Oh....he's angry. It must be true then.
WTF?

And what is it with "I believe her because she sounded sincere?" That isn't even as reliable as a polygraph.

Well, the FBI investigation will happen, so we'll get some more information. Will it be anything besides gossip. Be careful what you wish for, Democratic senators.

One source I hope gets questioned is the therapist. She wrote in her notes that Ms. Ford was attacked by four guys. Ms. Ford said the therapist made a mistake. I wonder if that's true. Was it a passing comment, where the mistake would be understandable, or did they discuss it at length? That's a pretty big difference.



I feel sorry for the people who will have to be bothered by questions about their party experiences 35 years ago. I hope their statements will be confidential, because if not then they'll be subject to extreme scrutiny by amateur "researchers" for decades to come.


Oh, well. Stay tuned. My prediction: The investigation will turn up no evidence of sexual assault, but neither will it clear Kavanaugh. (How could it?) So, Democrats will say that he shouldn't be confirmed because there is a cloud of suspicion over him, and besides he lied about drinking in high school.
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See my post above.
 
Meadmaker said:
I didn't like his less than honest approach to some questions. However, his anger didn't bother me a bit. When they started harping on his drinking and possible blackouts, I really wish he would have said, "Yeah. So what?"
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Not quite that, but if he had said, "When I was a teenager, I drank too much at a time when it wasn't legal for me to drink at all, and when most of my friends did the same. As an adult and a parent, I know now that I was stupid and I was wrong. But I never attacked anybody." Etc. But he didn't; by his telling, he's been a choir boy all his life. He protests way too much.
 
Meadmaker said:
I blame Star Wars.

When did anger become a bad thing? It's "the dark side" these days. Let's see. He is being publicly accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, and serial rape. And he's being questioned about drinking habits from over 30 years ago. Let's see how he reacts. Oh....he's angry. It must be true then.

WTF?

And what is it with "I believe her because she sounded sincere?" That isn't even as reliable as a polygraph.

Well, the FBI investigation will happen, so we'll get some more information. Will it be anything besides gossip. Be careful what you wish for, Democratic senators.

One source I hope gets questioned is the therapist. She wrote in her notes that Ms. Ford was attacked by four guys. Ms. Ford said the therapist made a mistake. I wonder if that's true. Was it a passing comment, where the mistake would be understandable, or did they discuss it at length? That's a pretty big difference.



I feel sorry for the people who will have to be bothered by questions about their party experiences 35 years ago. I hope their statements will be confidential, because if not then they'll be subject to extreme scrutiny by amateur "researchers" for decades to come.


Oh, well. Stay tuned. My prediction: The investigation will turn up no evidence of sexual assault, but neither will it clear Kavanaugh. (How could it?) So, Democrats will say that he shouldn't be confirmed because there is a cloud of suspicion over him, and besides he lied about drinking in high school.
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The extension to BK's background check will likely show that he indeed was a heavier drinker than he claims, with the real potential for--if not discovery of--blackouts or memory lapses. Even if no concrete confirmation of Ford's allegation arises due to Judge's claim of lack of memory, then there still remains the possibility that the attack on Ford occurred (taking her testimony as credible, which all commentators agree on) if BK simply didn't recall due to drunkenness.

And that's the heart of the matter. Is there any potential for the nominee to have committed such an act? In spite of not *knowing*, any *legitimate* suspicion can be a disqualifying element. It's a job interview.

But even without consideration of the foregoing, thus far we have a pretty darned good idea that he's already lied on a number of little things. (Which will likely be firmly settled after this coming week.) One can only ask; if the nominee is willing to lie on lesser matters, then how likely to lie on more consequential ones? Is such a duplicitous candidate worthy of the important office to which he aspires?
 
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