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This argument of "permanent cloud" over Brett's head is ineffective. These clouds have had no impact on the appointments of Thomas and Gorsuch, after all. Shame only works on those with a conscious.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
"Trump Derangement Syndrome". It's used to dismiss any criticism of Trump or anything connected to Trump as baseless hysteria, in order to avoid having to make an actual argument.
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TDS started out as Obama Derangement Syndrome, and as usual the right has hijacked the term because apparently they don't have an original thought. Same with "fake news".
 
Avenatti's "client" crawl out from under the rock yet?

He spends the whole weekend leaking "details" on twitter and then locks his account because of course.

Remember when he claimed he had other women who had signed NDA's? Yeah, no.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Maybe this is off topic but are you saying if you restrain someone against their will with drugs that's not violent but restraining them with ropes or cuffs would be? How about if the perp is gentle with the ropes? :rolleyes:
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This is just getting ridiculous.

Tying someone up with ropes, hand-cuffing them or otherwise restraining and/or immobilizing someone doesn't have to entail violence. Yes if someone, such as a police officer, tries to restrain and/or handcuff someone else and that person offers sufficient resistance then obviously they would have to utilize some degree of violence to succeed. I don't know about anyone else but i would not describe a police officer who hand-cuffs a completely passive individual as necessarily being violent.

Here's the reality of rape: it's not always violent. Rapists aren't always hiding behind bushes in dark public parks at night waiting to ambush their victims. Irrespective of how "gentle" or otherwise non-violent they are it's still rape because rape is distinguished from consensual sexual intercourse by the lack of consent.
 
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it is the violation of the person's body.
Take the example of gynecologists sedating their patients and them raping them - sometimes without them even being able to tell the difference between the violation and a botched examination.
It might be not the usual kind of violence, but it is violence nonetheless.
 
Arcade22 said:
This is just getting ridiculous.

Tying someone up with ropes, hand-cuffing them or otherwise restraining and/or immobilizing someone doesn't have to entail violence. Yes if someone, such as a police officer, tries to restrain and/or handcuff someone else and that person offers sufficient resistance then obviously they would have to utilize some degree of violence to succeed. I don't know about anyone else but i would not describe a police officer who hand-cuffs a completely passive individual as necessarily being violent.

Here's the reality of rape: it's not always violent. Rapists aren't always hiding behind bushes in dark public parks at night waiting to ambush their victims. Irrespective of how "gentle" or otherwise non-violent they are it's still rape because rape is distinguished from consensual sexual intercourse by the lack of consent.
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Indeed. Rape by coercion is a thing. In many jurisdictions rape by deception is a thing.

Telling someone you're the bassist from Hanson isn't violent. But it can be rape if you use it to get laid.

Unless you're the bassist from Hanson, of course, in which case it's perfectly fine.

Plying someone with drinks and/or illicit drugs and putting them in a situation where there's a whole group of people who are pressuring them into sex can be rape according two separate criteria without being violent at all.
 
The Big Dog said:
BREAKING: Ok, this is just breaking on right wing sources, and Twitter, but oh man, this would be beautiful...

4chan Prankster Claims Punked Michael Avenatti With Hoax Kavanaugh ‘Train’ Gang Rape Accusation
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The Big Dog said:
Lol, Avenatti has completely **** the bed.
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The Big Dog said:
Avenatti's "client" crawl out from under the rock yet?

He spends the whole weekend leaking "details" on twitter and then locks his account because of course.

Remember when he claimed he had other women who had signed NDA's? Yeah, no.
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Michael Avenatti names client as Julie Swetnick in Brett Kavanaugh confirmation


In an explosive signed statement released by Avenatti, Swetnick said in the 1980s, she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and Mark Judge to get teenage girls "inebriated and disoriented so they could then be 'gang raped' in a side room or bedroom by a 'train' of numerous boys."

"I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their 'turn' with a girl inside the room," she said in the statement. "These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh."

Swetnick, a resident of Washington, D.C., said she was a graduate of Gaithersburg High School in Maryland. She had worked for several government agencies, including the U.S. Mint and the State Department, and had held security clearances, she said.
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Avenatti did not get pranked by 4Chan -- but The Big Dog seems to have fallen for it.:D
 
quadraginta said:
An opinion, it should be pointed out, which seems to flip-flop depending on the political persuasion of the POTUS in question.

Just the sort of dispassionate, nonpartisan Justice we need on the Supreme Court.
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Only this, with no other information, is a reason anyone interested in honest, lawful, and conservative thought would be against this nominee.

Luckily no Republican harbors those weaknesses.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Plying someone with drinks and/or illicit drugs and putting them in a situation where there's a whole group of people who are pressuring them into sex can be rape according two separate criteria without being violent at all.
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If they willingly participate in the drugs and drinking, there are people that wouldn't consider that sexual assault or rape. I'm not one of them... but we need to acknowledge that a lot of people don't agree with what you are saying here.
 
Zambo said:
Really?
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Yes, although I imagine that that particular example would be unlikely to lead to a prosecution. Of course, whether or not something will lead to a prosecution is a different question as to whether or not it's morally wrong.

Think of it this way - can consensual sex be truly consensual if the consent in question isn't informed consent?

To use an in famous example from fiction, Revenge Of The Nerds' climactic scene sees one of the nerds in disguise pretend to be the hot cheerleader's boyfriend and have sex with her. Is that, or is that not rape? I think it is.
 
Imhotep said:
If they willingly participate in the drugs and drinking, there are people that wouldn't consider that sexual assault or rape. I'm not one of them... but we need to acknowledge that a lot of people don't agree with what you are saying here.
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Oh, I know there are rape apologists out there. But I'm sure the example can be pushed far enough that even they'd have to agree it's rape - like, for example, if the woman or girl in question is actually passed out.
 
The Big Dog said:
Avenatti's "client" crawl out from under the rock yet?

He spends the whole weekend leaking "details" on twitter and then locks his account because of course.

Remember when he claimed he had other women who had signed NDA's? Yeah, no.
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Speaking of being under a rock, is there anyone else here for whom the word "incel" appears to be something brand new and never before heard? Because seriously, today it the first I've seen or heard it. :confused:
 
LTC8K6 said:
I doubt many will believe that story, though.
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Minds have been made up long ago. HD video of Kavanaugh misbehaving with narration by Kavanaugh himself would not change any minds at this point. The dead girl/live boy standard is alive and well here.

The thing is, none of this is any any way "ruining" Kavanaugh's life. At worst, he doesn't get a promotion, but is seen as enough of a martyr to score a nice book deal and some sweatheart consulting gigs alongside his current job. He doesn't get fired, he doesn't go to jail, he doesn't face divorce or custody issues. He just doesn't get a promotion.

Then we find a candidate with fewer skeletons in the closet.

It's that easy.
 
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