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Skeptic Ginger said:
You know why this stuff pisses women off so much? It's because a very large majority of us have experienced it personally, typically more than once.

I knew guys just like Kavanaugh in high school, completely disrespectful toward women. I had a drunk date get on top of me and not let me up. And look at how many men are excused for this behavior, They're young, don't ruin their lives over it... And the girl, she shouldn't have been there.

#metoo, #ididn'treportiteither

You tell your parents and you can bet they would not only blame you, they'd probably give you restrictions for it.
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AMEN to that!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You know why this stuff pisses women off so much? It's because a very large majority of us have experienced it personally, typically more than once.

I knew guys just like Kavanaugh in high school, completely disrespectful toward women. I had a drunk date get on top of me and not let me up. And look at how many men are excused for this behavior, They're young, don't ruin their lives over it... And the girl, she shouldn't have been there.

#metoo, #ididn'treportiteither

You tell your parents and you can bet they would not only blame you, they'd probably give you restrictions for it.
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Women learn to expect victim blaming as young girls, and often from their own parents.

And some people wonder why coming forward isn't all that common.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Sure, I understand her not telling her parents, assuming this actually happened. I understand if she went to the police she would have to make a sworn statement, even today. I don't believe she doesn't know the location of the party, though, or how she got there, or how she got out of the room she was locked in, or how she got home. Those are not the kinds of things people forget. She "forgot" everything that would allow this to actually be investigated and for the people she accused of being there to have alibis. Pretty convenient, don't you think? These are the kinds of things people always "forget" if they weren't actually where they said they were.
It is possible to accuse anyone of anything if you don't provide a time, date, year, or location. You can make it all up an no one can ever prove any of it isn't true.
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"I simply go by the evidence." - BrooklynBaby
 
Leftus said:
Yes, if he confesses, or this actual evidence, sure. A chant from 2011 and his membership in the mid to late 80's proves what? Also, membership is a college frat impacts his high school activities how?

I don't know what really happened these decades ago. Nobody does. This is my general problem. Baseless accusations that go back multiple decades are impossible to prove. Memories are malleable. She may believe them, but that doesn't make them true. And your attempts to force a narrative, by playing fast and loose with time, doesn't help the matter either. T&C had a horrible chant two decades after he left. Tieing him to that group, decades after he left is dishonest. He didn't make that chant, join in the chant, because the chant did not exist when he was there.

How far back are we allowed to go to disqualify people? How far back can we go to determine the horribleness of a person based on groups of people they choose to associate with?
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I'm selecting your post as it's an excellent example of so, so many I've seen with regard to this issue.

The crux of the matter is not what he may or may not have done, as a teenager, at the party in question. The central, and really only, question is...

Is Brett Kavanaugh lying about it today?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If people are objecting to saying Thomas was more white than black because all the implications of what that meant, I'm sorry but it's undeniable.
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Only if you're a total racist who believes that white people and black people each all fit in some sort of box that all think the same, and entirely differently from the other box.

Seriously, there are black people who disagree with what you think they should believe. Get over it.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Sure, I understand her not telling her parents, assuming this actually happened. I understand if she went to the police she would have to make a sworn statement, even today. I don't believe she doesn't know the location of the party, though, or how she got there, or how she got out of the room she was locked in, or how she got home. Those are not the kinds of things people forget. She "forgot" everything that would allow this to actually be investigated and for the people she accused of being there to have alibis. Pretty convenient, don't you think? These are the kinds of things people always "forget" if they weren't actually where they said they were.

It is possible to accuse anyone of anything if you don't provide a time, date, year, or location. You can make it all up an no one can ever prove any of it isn't true.
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How the **** do you know?

You don't.
 
Belz... said:
Only if you're a total racist who believes that white people and black people each all fit in some sort of box that all think the same, and entirely differently from the other box.

Seriously, there are black people who disagree with what you think they should believe. Get over it.
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Oh heaven forbid I have a bias against the old white men that run this country. They aren't women and never have been. They aren't blacks or other minorities, look at the disgusting backlash against Obama and he did a great job as POTUS.

How would you describe them as a group? Leave the white elephant in the room out?

And people like Obama and Corey Booker are not like them, Thomas is. Bernie Sanders is not like them. Regardless, they comprise an undeniably stereotypical group.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Sure, I understand her not telling her parents, assuming this actually happened. I understand if she went to the police she would have to make a sworn statement, even today. I don't believe she doesn't know the location of the party, though, or how she got there, or how she got out of the room she was locked in, or how she got home. Those are not the kinds of things people forget. She "forgot" everything that would allow this to actually be investigated and for the people she accused of being there to have alibis. Pretty convenient, don't you think? These are the kinds of things people always "forget" if they weren't actually where they said they were.

It is possible to accuse anyone of anything if you don't provide a time, date, year, or location. You can make it all up an no one can ever prove any of it isn't true.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
How the **** do you know?

You don't.
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It always amazes me when people assume they know what someone else would do, think, say, or in this case, forget based upon no evidence whatsoever other than their own bias.
 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...e-kavanaugh-accuser-quits-westwood-nr-vpx.cnn

Jesus Christ, another one! At this point we should just assume that if you are a man and work for or with the Trump administration you're a rapist to one degree or another. Seriously, is the GOP screening to make sure they only get staffers and supporters who assault women? Maybe it's like a biker gang thing. Some gangs make new member commit serious crimes so they won't be able to rat out anyone else.
 
quadraginta said:
I don't know why you say this. SCOTUS Justices can be (and have been) impeached using the very same articles of the Constitution and the same process prescribed to do so for a President.

I would concur that it is highly unlikely, but it is most certainly possible.
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News to me. Thanks.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You tell your parents and you can bet they would not only blame you, they'd probably give you restrictions for it.
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My grandmother (with whom we lived for a number of years) had two sayings which I particularly remember:
1) Let that be a lesson to you.

2) You made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

I have a feeling she would not have had much use for any "touchy feely" complaints about sexual abuse. I'm surprised at how many women are on Kavanaugh's side with comments like: "Everybody gets a groping at that age." "She's a wussy." "All the boys did that to all the girls. What's HER problem?" and the like.
 
Given how massively unpopular Kavanaugh is with the US population, and how long he would sit on the Court, it would be a big mistake for the GOP to force his confirmation.
But what else is new?
 
Stacyhs said:
There is some interesting info in this article regarding Kavanaugh and Judge (the other boy Ford says was in the bedroom). This includes Judge writing in his memoir (Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk) that a high school drinking buddy got so drunk he threw up in someone's car. That person's name? Bart O'Kavanaugh.

To get an idea of Judge's thinking, here are some of his past writings:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-high-school/index.html

But more disturbingly is this, said after declaring Michelle O is more of a man than her husband in 2013:



And in 2015



In his high school yearbook, Judge's page included the Noel Coward quip, "Certain women should be struck regularly, like gongs."

It seems to me that Judge has a bit of a 'power over women' issue.
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This was written by Judge. Pay attention to the last sentence:

"Of course, a man must be able to read a woman’s signals, and it’s a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there’s also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he’ll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion."

Yeah, that's not creepy at all.. :rolleyes:
 
LSSBB said:
Would you like a new shovel?

How about not judge a man by the color of his skin, but the content of his character?
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I remember the days when people didn't just yank that same one MLK Jr. Quote out of context...

Thomas's character, as well as those of Roberts, Alito, and Gorsuch are...lacking when it comes to these matters.
 
C SPAN re-ran Anita Hill and Thomas' testimony tonight. I had forgotten just how creepy Thomas is.

No doubt Kavanaugh is going to adopt the same, she's a lying bitch, attitude.
 
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I need to ask a question about SCOTUS appointees?

I am hearing about how this is a "lifetime" appointment, which to me seems that once Kavanaugh is confirmed, even if the Democrats win both houses in November, there is nothing they can do about him (that's why GOP are hell bent on getting him appointed now, because they are certain it won't happen after November).

My question is, can he be impeached and removed from the SCOTUS bench?

It seems to me that there are two possible avenues

1. He has lied to congress, at least three times that I can see

a. When he testified in 2004 that he had nothing to do with the 2003 nomination of William Pryor to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, when documentary evidence seems to show that he did,

b. When he testified before two confirmation hearings in 2004 and 2006 that he had no knowledge of the emails stolen from Orin Hatch by Manuel Miranda, when as it turned out, he absolutely did know about them.

c. When he testified in confirmation hearings in 2006 that he had no knowledge of and had nothing to do with writing the rules for the use of tortures at GITMO during his time at Dubya's WH, when it seems he was very much involved.

2. What if Christine Blasey Ford decides to make a formal complaint of attempted rape against Kavanaugh. There is no SoL on attempted rape in Maryland so the Police would be required to investigate.
 
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yes, in theory he can be impeached (like any judge).
In practice, in the entire history of the US it has happened once, and it was overturned by the Senate.

there is no provision stopping the US Senate from making a convicted serial killer a Supreme Court Judge (or the voters making him president).
 
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sylvan8798 said:
My grandmother (with whom we lived for a number of years) had two sayings which I particularly remember:
1) Let that be a lesson to you.

2) You made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

I have a feeling she would not have had much use for any "touchy feely" complaints about sexual abuse. I'm surprised at how many women are on Kavanaugh's side with comments like: "Everybody gets a groping at that age." "She's a wussy." "All the boys did that to all the girls. What's HER problem?" and the like.
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My late mother always said that women were their own worst enemies. In many ways, she was right.

I saw one female Trump/Kavanaugh supporter being interviewed. When asked if she believed B-Ford, she said "no". Then she lightly touched the woman sitting next to her on the upper arm/shoulder and said (and I'm paraphrasing since I don't have the video to review) "All he did was just touch her a little bit. No big deal." I was gobsmacked.
 
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