Merged Tesla (i.e. Musk) being naughty?

jimbob said:
How about "Howard Hughes in real life" :P

I'd guess he might have been an inspiration for Tony Stark - but I also guess you'd know more than me on that if I remember your avatars correctly.
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Stan Lee admits the original Tony Stark, created in 1962, was modeled on Howard Hughes.
That changes a lot over the years, particularly in the Marvel Cinematic Universe where Stark's father became the Howard Hugher figure with Tony Stark based more on the younger high tech moguls of the 90's.
 
Jim_MDP said:
It is still the case that at the federal level pot is a big no-no. SpaceX has US AirForce contracts. It's just that simple.
On the plus side... despite Musk figuratively doing it "right in their faces" (ie: on widely distributed public media)... the USAF is taking it slow with their "we're looking into how to address the issue". With luck, they'll let it go in an attempt to move forward on the whole larger pot issue. They may not have a choice in the end though. We'll see.
Either way, he should have known better... it was a moderately bonehead move on his part.
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I repeat, it sort of like a CEO showing up drunk at a public event. It's just a stupid move.
And it comes on top of a long series of really questionable stunts by Musk.
 
Jim_MDP said:
It is still the case that at the federal level pot is a big no-no. SpaceX has US AirForce contracts. It's just that simple.
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Thanks Jim. I guess my point is, why should I care about that? I don’t think people should lose anything for smoking some weed.
 
Tony said:
Thanks Jim. I guess my point is, why should I care about that? I don’t think people should lose anything for smoking some weed.
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If you are putting your money into a company and the CEO is gratuitously* risking another of his company's main contract, then you are going to wonder about his judgement.

If he has previously been behaving erraticlly over the last few months, then you should be cautious about these antics, regardless of your views on smoking pot.


*No possible financial upside
 
To continue my alcohol comparasion; it's one thing for a CEO to have a martini,it another for him to show up at a major public event bombed out of his mind.
Musk's stunt on the talk show was definenly the latter.
 
What is Musk's role in the SpaceX Air Force contract? If he lost his clearance would that necessarily mean the contract is lost to SpaceX?
 
Tony said:
Thanks Jim. I guess my point is, why should I care about that? I don’t think people should lose anything for smoking some weed.
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You asked "what's the fuss?"
I tried to explain that it's a legalities issue, not a moralities or preferences one.
For all I know the Sec. of the Air Force is a fan of the ganja... but that's not the standard they may have to adhere to.
One day, this may be seen as the tail end of a societal weirdness... but today is not that day. ;)
 
Like some have mentioned he did not inhale and minutes later said he doesn't like weed as he prefers to get things done which he feels weed impedes, and that he cannot feel the effects. He appeared to have a puff and immediately blow it out only to appease Joe Rogan.

It does not equate to arriving drunk at a public event, and, despite the security clearance issues, does not look bad, in spite of some of the over-reactions to the half-assed toke.
 
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Jim_MDP said:
... the USAF is taking it slow with their "we're looking into how to address the issue". With luck, they'll let it go in an attempt to move forward on the whole larger pot issue.
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It's not the Air Force's job to move forward on the pot issue. If they let it go for that reason, it would be dereliction of their actual duty us.

I hope they let it go because the value SpaceX provides to our national defense (which is the Air Force's actual job) far outweighs the harm of this infinitesimal infraction.
 
dudalb said:
Musk seems to be like his hero ,Nikolas Tesla; a genius one minute, who makes a total idiot of himself the next.
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That's why I always say that he picked the name of his car brand perfectly.

Some of his ideas are really good, and others (hyperloop, for instance) are batcrap crazy.
 
dudalb said:
SOme of the comments are textbook examples of a personality cult at work. The number of people who made the "Tony Stark In Real Life" comment was interesting. Surprise, Musk attracts the worship of a lot of comic book geeks who want to turn their fantasies into reality.
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Personally I don't understand such a cult towards anyone. I don't know anybody who doesn't have good points and bad points.
 
Babbylonian said:
Now, if someone was to react badly to Musk spending time with Joe Rogan, that I would agree with. Rogan is a nutter.
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Not really. There's a lot of science that he doesn't understand, but he does seem to be actually interested in understanding things as they really are and generally when an expert explains something to him he gets it.

He's mellowed on the conspiracy theory stuff a lot in recent years, and you'll often see him arguing with his friends (like Eddie Bravo) about his crazy conspiracy ideas. He attributes his new stance on this stuff in part to his show "Joe Rogan Questions Everything" which he went into expecting to find mysteries and just found a bunch of crazy people and fraudsters.

He hasn't completely left the conspiracy theory mindset, but honestly I see him challenging it much more than supporting it these days. The thing I think he's nuttiest about nowadays is that he has bought into the weird ideas of Graham Hancock et. al.

He's often wrong, sometimes excruciatingly so, but when people make a clear case he changes his mind. I think he really is curious about the world and does want to understand what's true, and not just what he would like to be true.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
What is Musk's role in the SpaceX Air Force contract? If he lost his clearance would that necessarily mean the contract is lost to SpaceX?
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I was thinking the same thing. Even if it were the case that his clearance is important, his losing it should just mean giving some of his responsibilities to someone else, not losing the contract.
 
Roboramma said:
Not really. There's a lot of science that he doesn't understand, but he does seem to be actually interested in understanding things as they really are and generally when an expert explains something to him he gets it.

He's mellowed on the conspiracy theory stuff a lot in recent years, and you'll often see him arguing with his friends (like Eddie Bravo) about his crazy conspiracy ideas. He attributes his new stance on this stuff in part to his show "Joe Rogan Questions Everything" which he went into expecting to find mysteries and just found a bunch of crazy people and fraudsters.

He hasn't completely left the conspiracy theory mindset, but honestly I see him challenging it much more than supporting it these days. The thing I think he's nuttiest about nowadays is that he has bought into the weird ideas of Graham Hancock et. al.

He's often wrong, sometimes excruciatingly so, but when people make a clear case he changes his mind. I think he really is curious about the world and does want to understand what's true, and not just what he would like to be true.
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Yeah, I agree. Rogan has come a long way and much of what he has learnt has been from his guests who often have a lot of interesting things to say. I agree that his genuine curiosity is what helps him continue learning and becoming less of a woo merchant.

Now, this is not always the case. If he himself has got too stoned he sometimes becomes a poor interviewer just as he is a pretty terrible stand-up comedian. And there are some blind spots when it comes to nutrition, ancient alien civilizations or Jordan Peterson. But nobody is perfect.
 
Just thought it worth noting:

On September 6, prior to Musk appearing on JRE tesla stock was at 280.95 USD. It dropped to 263.24 USD on the 7th. Now it's up to 295.20 USD...

Seems like they are doing okay.
 
Roboramma said:
Just thought it worth noting:

On September 6, prior to Musk appearing on JRE tesla stock was at 280.95 USD. It dropped to 263.24 USD on the 7th. Now it's up to 295.20 USD...

Seems like they are doing okay.
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There were some bit more positive article. Future still grossly uncertain.
 
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