Iran calls to destroy Israel, solves the "who's gonna hit Iran's nukes" question.

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Iran calls to destroy Israel, solves the "who's gonna hit Iran's nukes" question.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051026/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel

If someone called for me to be wiped off the map and threatened anyone who talked to be with being burned in fury, I'd sure as heck bomb their nuclear facilities, wouldn't you?

So thanks to President Ahmadinejad for solving that little problem for the world. Europe is off the hook.
 
manny said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051026/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel

If someone called for me to be wiped off the map and threatened anyone who talked to be with being burned in fury, I'd sure as heck bomb their nuclear facilities, wouldn't you?

So thanks to President Ahmadinejad for solving that little problem for the world. Europe is off the hook.
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Nothing new. They have been evaluating the calculus of such a strike for some time. I wonder what excuses we will be hearing.
 
That Iran is a "clear and present danger."

If I were Israel, I'd hit Iran now. Today. Less than 24 hours after Ahmadinejad's statement. And I'd say, "We're here, we're near, get used to it. Any country which threatens to destroy us will themselves be destroyed."
 
Ed said:
Nothing new.
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Concur. The guy was handpicked by the Mad Mullahs, he's been well indoctrinated.

They have been evaluating the calculus of such a strike for some time. I wonder what excuses we will be hearing.
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Who, Iran or Israel?? :confused:

Manny, might not be quite as easy as you let on. The F15's range (with extra fuel tanks) might be enough to make it there and back (Tel Aviv-Tehran is 988 miles one way, F15's range with full auxiliary tanks and mid-air refueling is about 3,500 miles--but on a strike mission you wouldn't be carrying aux tanks in lieu of weapons.

And note who they would have to fly over to get there--Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq...wanna bet how that would go over with the Iraqi Shiites? And Saudi Arabia has F15's of their own--be a wee bit embarassing if they shot an F15 down with another F15...

Missiles would work, but I doubt Israel has the tech (yet) to do pinpoint attacks, so the missiles would have to carry something very powerful--like those WMD's that Israel doesn't have. :eek:

All in all, I think that Israel would much prefer to let us do the dirty work if necessary--but the leadership in Tel Aviv has always shown that if they feel that the survival of Israel is at stake, they will go any distance--and I do mean any--to ensure than survival.

Interesting times. Damn Chinese curses.
 
For a country that claims it only wants nuclear power for electricity generation, and given the current US attitude to Iran, it seems a remarkably undiplomatic thing to say. And when I say "undiplomatic" I mean "stupid"
 
"The fighting in Palestine is a war between the (whole) Islamic nation and the world of arrogance," Ahmadinejad said, using Tehran's propaganda epithet for the United States and Israel. "Today, Palestinians are representing the Islamic nation against arrogance."
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It's a crusade, plain and simple.
 
On the 04 September 2005 Iran's supreme leader said, (http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/007122.html ):
"The only way to confront the Zionist enemy is the continuation and fortification of resistance and Jihad," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as saying Saturday in a meeting with the militant group Islamic Jihad's secretary general Ramazan Abdullah.
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The Karine-A ship Israel busted in January 2002 carried 50 tons of Iranian weaponry paid for with international aid money by the Palestinian Authority. Despite being caught red-handed, the Palestinian Authority and Iran deny any knowledge of Karine-A, dismissing the incident as an Israeli "propaganda campaign"...In 2004 the Iranian judo champion refused to face Israeli judo champion at the Olympics. I don't think it is any secret at all that Iran has a big hardon for Israel....after all the Iranian government accuses Israel of everything from dissident killings, violence to destabilise Iran, bombing attacks in Iraq, global domination and every other woo woo conspiracy theory they can think of under the pretext of stopping 'zionist conspiracies'.

Ironically 99% of all Persians I have ever met disagree with the Iranian theocracy and their 10th century attitude. But if terrorists are gonna get a dirty bomb I bet Iran or Pakistan will have a hand in it.
 
Freakshow said:
I would like to take this moment to state that I still stand by my statement made in this post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1191608#post1191608
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And along the same theme:

Iran lets senior al Qaeda suspects roam free: report

BERLIN (Reuters) -
Iran is permitting around 25 high-ranking al Qaeda members to roam free in the country's capital, including three sons of Osama bin Laden, a German monthly magazine reported on Wednesday.

Citing information from unnamed Western intelligence sources, the magazine Cicero said in a preview of an article appearing in its November edition that the individuals in question are from Egypt, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Europe.

They are living in houses belonging to Iran's Revolutionary Guards, the report said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051026/ts_nm/iran_alqaeda_dc_1
 
I betcha nobody is going to attack Iran. From what I understand, their nuclear program is split up and distributed all over the place - nothing short of a full scale war would do the job. Any attack would be a token headline grabber, and nobody is going to do that for nothing.

Of course, Bush being Bush he might do it anyway. Who knows what hi-jinks god will tell him to get up to this week?
 
Freakshow said:
I would like to take this moment to state that I still stand by my statement made in this post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1191608#post1191608
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You have Mycroft agreeing with you. I suggest you take a few moments to reflect on that. He expands on it by quoting a report that Al-Qaeda folk - who have declared Shiites heretics and apostates worse even than Crusaders and Zionists - are strutting around Tehran organising, I dunno, attacks on Shiite holy places in Iraq. It strains credulity, doesn't it? Iran is, on the one hand, accused of trying to gain influence in Shiite Iraq, while on the other hand supporting Al-Qaeda, and of course keeping it secret from the Iraqi Shiites they're trying to influence. Mycroft knows about it, but he doesn't imagine that Shias just across a porous border do.

You don't want Mycroft on your side. It impacts on your credibility. Deny him three times and you're safe.
 
manny said:
If I were Israel, I'd hit Iran now. Today. Less than 24 hours after Ahmadinejad's statement.
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It might take a bit longer than that to co-ordinate with the Coalition forces. There's a war going on in the intervening territory. Al-Qaeda in Iraq may not have an airforce, but that doesn't mean Air Defence has been stood down.

I would like to see Israel wiped from the map. It is a 19thCE boil on the 21stCE bum of humanity. I would like to see the Jewish State consigned to the dustbin of history, just as I would any Islamic State, Christian State, Gellerist Hegemony, White Aryan Montotone, etc. That doesn't mean I would like to see the Eastern Mediterranean nuked and its population exterminated. Has anyone in Iran declared that as their objective?

Doing away with Israel does not mean doing away with Jews. Just thought I should point that out.
 
Seismosaurus said:
I betcha nobody is going to attack Iran. From what I understand, their nuclear program is split up and distributed all over the place ...
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I agree, Not much attention was paid to the Iraq-Iran War (once known as the Gulf War but subsequently overwritten by the real Gulf War, which had the US in it) but it taught the Iraqis and Iranians a lot about threats from a clear blue sky. In the early stages the Iranians, with US equipment, outclassed the Iraqis in the air and did a lot of damage. Come the proper Gulf War the US bombed a lot of fake targets. The Iraqis also had the experience of Israeli intervention from the air. The Iraqis, on the other hand, had missiles. As I recall, the Tehran district alone was hit by over 300 Scuds. Not exactly Shock and Awe, but a precursor closely followed by the Soviets and the US. (The Middle East long served as a testing-ground for Soviet and US weaponry. Cynics such as myself do not regard that as coincidental.)

The region is not ruled by wild-eyed carpet-chewing maniacs. You're quite right, the Iranians haven't put all their eggs in one basket, or even a dozen. Israel can't do anything effective and nor can the US. Who else is there?
 
Hutch said:
Capel Dodger, you are sooo going to replace AUP as the favorite target....

See you in Flame Wars/Administration.

Hutch
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You think? Well, why not. I've sewed myself into my British Winter underwear, filled the shed with coal and wood and battened down the hatches, so what else do I have to do? I will make great efforts not to be ticked off by Darat again, nor will I bring any complaint before said court. I will deal with bullies my own way, as I've always done.
 
CapelDodger said:
It might take a bit longer than that to co-ordinate with the Coalition forces. There's a war going on in the intervening territory. Al-Qaeda in Iraq may not have an airforce, but that doesn't mean Air Defence has been stood down.
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I agree that missiles are the way to go here. I believe that Israel has the technology. If not, maybe France will do it. They can get the locations from their shipping invoices.

I would like to see Israel wiped from the map. It is a 19thCE boil on the 21stCE bum of humanity. I would like to see the Jewish State consigned to the dustbin of history, just as I would any Islamic State, Christian State, Gellerist Hegemony, White Aryan Montotone, etc. That doesn't mean I would like to see the Eastern Mediterranean nuked and its population exterminated. Has anyone in Iran declared that as their objective?
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Guy on a message board != President of a nuclear-ambitious regional power.

Doing away with Israel does not mean doing away with Jews. Just thought I should point that out.
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No, just what, half of them? Gotcha.
 
manny said:
I agree that missiles are the way to go here. I believe that Israel has the technology. If not, maybe France will do it. They can get the locations from their shipping invoices.
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I can't see france acting without the aggreement and some militry support of the other european powers which in practice means britian since the German constution makes such a war a little tricky.
 
CapelDodger said:
That doesn't mean I would like to see the Eastern Mediterranean nuked and its population exterminated. Has anyone in Iran declared that as their objective?

Doing away with Israel does not mean doing away with Jews. Just thought I should point that out.
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According to the BBC:

Referring to Iran's late revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Mr Ahmadinejad said: "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.
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Are you honestly suggesting that when someone states that they would like to see a country "wiped off the map", they're actually referring to a peaceful handover of power?
 
My first thoughts when I heard on this story on the radio was "I didn't know things were so bad for the current Iranian government". I'm pretty certain they must be sending prayers of thanks to Allah for the existence of Israel.

Without Israel they'd be hard to press to conjure up such an effective bogeyman to explain why their people are still dirt poor despite massive oil revenues, why little Mohammad can't get proper medical care. Much easier to scream and shout "It's Israel's fault!".

They can bluster about the USA and the evil West - but they know they can only go so far, after all they don't want another popular revolution that stops the oil flowing to their number one customer.

Best thing for the "West" to do? Ignore it, consider it like feeding trolls, the only person who gets what they want is the troll.
 
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