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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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CapelDodger said:
Remember the scene in Downfall where Hitler gets the news Steiner's not coming to the rescue? Perhaps it's time for Trump's Downfall Parody - but then, who's to say some even greater betrayal won't occur? Fredo turning rat, for instance.
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Please, No. I am still sick of dubbed parodies of the scene where Hitler loses it in "Downfall". One of the most oversued memes on the Internet. (Though Downfall is a great movie, though).
But yeah, seems as though Trump is rapidly moving into living in his reality a la Hitler in the bunker.
The visual I want for Trump today is the scene in "THe Departed where mob boss Jack Nicholson, on finding out there is an informer in his organization goes into a rant about dirty,stinking rats,with Jack making a face at one point like that of a rat.
 
jimbob said:
Yes, he's actually keeping it together and tweeting about Florence.

Maybe his advisers have been getting through to him
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I am betting behind closed doors it a different story....
Trump's advisors can talk him into behaving halfway rationally temporariy, but it never lasts very long. I am betting within two weeks Trump will turn on Manafort in Public.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
I disagree: only Conservative Elites can fix the democracy deficits of the GOP.

Republicans are more or less in the same situation as the UKIP party in Britain: by their success, they have made themselves obsolete. The only program left is to prevent Democrats from rolling back their extreme policies - but that is not enough to motivate swing voters.
Republicans need to find an actual ideology to rally behind, something forward-looking instead of a just fear and fake nostalgia.
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OK, let's add what used to be the Republicans to the list. By the way, the third thing that will help fix Trumpism that is really coming down the pike is the demographic shift, as far as we can tell.
 
dudalb said:
I am betting behind closed doors it a different story....
Trump's advisors can talk him into behaving halfway rationally temporariy, but it never lasts very long. I am betting within two weeks Trump will turn on Manafort in Public.
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Yes but unless there is another hurricane at the time it will look slightly less self-absorbed.

ETA: I keep thinking of this song when I think about Trump

 
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Somewhat off topic but....
God,the studio that made "First Man" the biopic about Neal Armstrong, is buying a lot of time on CNN.....seems last night there was an ad for it every break.
 
Trump will right on it following Florence. It's an easy win for him to take credit for things he had no part in. Low fatality count, less flooding than predicted. Yep, he'll come out of his cocoon spouting the wonderful job he's done followed by repeating the false claim the Democrats are plotting against him with the death count for PR.
 
alfaniner said:
Surprising. I have not heard the T-word on the news since about Tuesday. Even less about the release of Woodward's book. But I think they took care of most of that discussion last week.
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If you live around here (Durham, NC) all you have heard about since then is Hurricane Florence.

WRAL, the biggest local station, has pre-empted everything, including the national news, for 24/7 coverage of the storm.

Other local stations have been much the same.
 
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lobosrul5 said:
It might happen, briefly. But if it does th Dems will split. They are a pretty "big tent" party after all. In fact a few of their senators are rated as more conservative than a few Good ones. The same thing happened around 1830. And, kind of in the 1930s.
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"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

- Will Rogers, 1935​
 
We are *so* fortunate that the Justice Dept. had people in it who are so committed to the rule of law, as we see how important that principle is when the separation of power in the Constitution is not exercised.

By the way, fellow liberals, if we respect the rule of law, we have to respect it in regard to immigration, too. If we don't like current immigration law and policy, change it, but respect its application until then.
 
Paul2 said:
By the way, fellow liberals, if we respect the rule of law, we have to respect it in regard to immigration, too. If we don't like current immigration law and policy, change it, but respect its application until then.
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Respect the toddler prisons? :boggled:

I don't respect unjust laws or the application of them.
 
kellyb said:
Respect the toddler prisons? :boggled:

I don't respect unjust laws or the application of them.
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Of course not.

ETA: I may retract the "policy" aspect of my statement about respecting the rule of law. A policy set by the Executive branch may not warrant the respect that the rule of law deserves, and it's the rule of law and not policy that is the fundamental things that is now protecting our democracy from Trump.
 
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Also: what I had in mind was not laws or policies that are obviously contrary to basic decency or values or morality. What I had in mind was those liberals who favor not enforcing basic immigration laws, the kind that most (any?) country has. It seems that liberals support immigrants sometimes to the detriment of enforcement of basic immigration laws. Even Obama enforced immigration laws (I think he deported more undocumenteds than Bush-43 did).
 
Paul2 said:
Also: what I had in mind was not laws or policies that are obviously contrary to basic decency or values or morality. What I had in mind was those liberals who favor not enforcing basic immigration laws, the kind that most (any?) country has. It seems that liberals support immigrants sometimes to the detriment of enforcement of basic immigration laws. Even Obama enforced immigration laws (I think he deported more undocumenteds than Bush-43 did).
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The problem is that the determination of "laws or policies that are obviously contrary to basic decency or values or morality" is in the eye of the beholder.

It's really only the libertarian right that doesn't want immigration laws enforced at all and calls for open borders, not liberals, as a general rule.
 
Trump tweets

"“They say all these people died in the storm in Puerto Rico, yet 70% of the power was out before the storm. So when did people start dying? At what point do you recognize that what they are doing is a political agenda couched in the nice language of journalism?”
@GeraldoRivera"
 
kellyb said:
The problem is that the determination of "laws or policies that are obviously contrary to basic decency or values or morality" is in the eye of the beholder. ETA: I'm with you about the separation of children from their parents, if that matters.
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That's a whole separate problem that would apply in any case.

kellyb said:
It's really only the libertarian right that doesn't want immigration laws enforced at all and calls for open borders, not liberals, as a general rule.
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To the extent that liberals DO want immigration laws enforced, my point doesn't hold. To the extent that they DON'T want immigration laws enforced at all, my point holds.

There may also be similar considerations for that vast area in-between, given that nearly any law is not enforced, nor not enforced, 100%. To the extent that liberals DO want immigration laws enforced to a good extent, my point doesn't hold. To the extent that they DON'T want immigration laws enforced hardly at all (if those qualifications in italics are roughly equal), my point holds.
 
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