Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/ex-...deal-with-special-counsel-robert-mueller.html

The charging document, while accusing him of just two criminal counts, appears to be designed to resolve not only the entire case in Washington, but another federal criminal prosecution in Virginia, where Manafort was convicted of eight counts last month.

That new document alleges Manafort engaged in a conspiracy involving money laundering, tax fraud, failing to report foreign bank accounts, violating rules requiring registration of foreign agents, lying and witness tampering.


col·lu·sion
kəˈlo͞oZHən/Submit
noun
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

"no collusion" :dl:
 
TheL8Elvis said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/ex-...deal-with-special-counsel-robert-mueller.html

The charging document, while accusing him of just two criminal counts, appears to be designed to resolve not only the entire case in Washington, but another federal criminal prosecution in Virginia, where Manafort was convicted of eight counts last month.

That new document alleges Manafort engaged in a conspiracy involving money laundering, tax fraud, failing to report foreign bank accounts, violating rules requiring registration of foreign agents, lying and witness tampering.


col·lu·sion
kəˈlo͞oZHən/Submit
noun
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

"no collusion" :dl:
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Unfortunately, nothing I see here indicates that the conspiracy has to with Trump + Russia. I assume it has to do with Manafort's past dealings.
 
Also in the "there's a tweet for everything" category:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1032256443985084417

I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!

So brave. Very wow. Much bigly.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
But what can Manaford give Mueller, except a bunch of former-Soviet oligarchs?
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Well, Manafort was at the Trump tower meeting, so he could give both a better accounting of what was discussed there and whether Trump was either physically at the meeting or was listening on speakerphone. He may also be aware of information given to Trump about the Russian activities (if he was part of any briefings).

Given his history with Trump, he may also be able to point to other financial crimes Trump has engaged in pre-election. And if he doesn't have information on Trump, he may still have information on Stone.

This is of course assuming the plea deal involves an agreement to fully cooperate with the investigation, and isn't just a "Save the cost of an expensive trial" type agreement.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
But what can Manaford give Mueller, except a bunch of former-Soviet oligarchs?
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From the CNN link above:
Kilimnik is charged as a co-defendant in Manafort's DC criminal case, for the witness tampering accusation. In previous court filings, prosecutors allege he had ties to the Russian GRU, a military intelligence agency. Kilimnik has not appeared in court, though Manafort's plea Friday admits that he committed his crimes in conspiracy with both Gates and Kilimnik.
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Heavy: Five Fast Facts about Kilimnik
1. The Meetings In Question Reportedly Took Place During the Campaign

... In an interview February 22, Kilimnik said that he and Manafort would meet “every couple months” during the election, but denied the meetings having anything to do with Russia. Instead, he said that he was briefing Manafort on matters in Ukraine.

One of the meetings in question took place during an April 2016 trip to the U.S. by Kilimnik. During one of the conversations they had a year ago, one of the subjects was the hacking of the emails of the Democratic National Committee, POLITICO’s story wrote. But Manafort had said it was unknown at the time which nation was behind the act.
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It's a shame to see a good man brought down by a "conspiracy involving money laundering" trap, "tax fraud" trap, "failing to report foreign bank accounts" trap, "violating rules requiring registration of foreign agents" trap, and "witness tampering" trap set by the dastardly FBI.
 
dasmiller said:
I'd sort of assumed that Mueller & co put so much stuff into the document so that it would all be in the public record if Trump shut down the investigation.
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I just skimmed the Superceding Criminal Information and there's little to no information there which involves the campaign or Trump. Lots of lobbying on behalf of Ukraine but most of it was before the campaign. Tons of money laundering and tax evasion. Some phone calls where D1 and D2 are mentioned, Manafort setting up communication with said individuals directly. That might be call to Trump but there's not a whole lot there except connecting the calls.
 
I think with everything we've seen so far it's an accurate description to say we haven't seen anything tied to Trump specifically with regards to Russian Collusion. This makes me wonder if, even if they find a ton of financial\white collar crimes, would the GOP even do anything? I truly believe they'd say, "Well, it wasn't about Russia or the election. We won't impeach over something he never did as president\candidate."

Which saddens me. Mueller almost has to find Trump saying to a room full of people, "Thank God for those Russians helping me get elected" on the election night in order for anyone on the right to even acknowledge wrongdoing.
 
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