Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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River said:
I agree that there are multiple plausible scenarios regarding the files and timestamps. However, to disregard any of them would be foolish. Including the scenario that files may have been downloaded locally.
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Actually, a DNC mole wouldn't have had local access to the cloud-based servers. (That's another advantage of the cloud; you don't need to own the machines.)


Anyway, another common pattern in conspiracy theorizing is looking at minute aspects in isolation from the totality of the evidence, e.g. the server logs that show the evidence of the hacking in sufficient detail to identify specific hackers.
 
River said:
This is a discussion forum correct? Not an update for Mueller news items only. I'm here discussing the subject, right now. Not months ago. Get over it.
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You are rehashing old ground. You could simply read back in the thread.
 
River said:
It would seem there is a lot of mishandling of this issue from both administrations. The American people deserve better.

Are you for declassifying the documents regarding fisa applications and so on? or no?
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Yes, it would seem. But it would also seem that you're only concerned with things done by Not Trump. Or things not done by Not Trump. I'm sure this seems real original to you, but we've got master diverters and hand-wavers staffing the keyboards and we've heard it all before. "Oh, I'm not a Trump supporter, I'll just continue to obfuscate and try to channel all complaints to Anybody But Trump."

I'd not just declassify FISA applications, I'd junk the whole system and put together a crackerjack team of my top advisors and have them rebuild it with something more responsive to the public interest. Then again, I'd reorganize the judiciary to get rid of political parties and elections.
 
Belz... said:
Wow, that's pretty weak.

The conclusion down there says that Trump is an American-made problem. That's absolutely true, but also says nothing about whether the Russians contributed.
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Do you think these ad campaigns contributed? If so, how much so.

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-questions-russian-ads-delivered-to-congress/

Here are a few other facts about the ads:

An estimated 10 million people in the US saw the ads. We were able to approximate the number of unique people (“reach”) who saw at least one of these ads, with our best modeling
44% of total ad impressions (number of times ads were displayed) were before the US election on November 8, 2016; 56% were after the election.
Roughly 25% of the ads were never shown to anyone. That’s because advertising auctions are designed so that ads reach people based on relevance, and certain ads may not reach anyone as a result.
For 50% of the ads, less than $3 was spent; for 99% of the ads, less than $1,000 was spent.
About 1% of the ads used a specific type of Custom Audiences targeting to reach people on Facebook who had visited that advertiser’s website or liked the advertiser’s Page — as well as to reach people who are similar to those audiences. None of the ads used another type of Custom Audiences targeting based on personal information such as email addresses. (This bullet added October 3, 2017.)
Of the more than 3,000 ads that we have shared with Congress, 5% appeared on Instagram. About $6,700 was spent on these ads (This bullet added October 6, 2017.)
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River said:
Watch the video then. It explains in much greater detail than that.
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Stop linking to crap, long videos!

I take it from your response (to me upthread) that you also refuse to post the text from the CNN article that you think supports your claim, opting instead to stand behind the naked link. This is non-communicative. This sort of evasive posting style is a strong indicator that your claims are without merit, although that was already obvious.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Yes, it would seem. But it would also seem that you're only concerned with things done by Not Trump. Or things not done by Not Trump. I'm sure this seems real original to you, but we've got master diverters and hand-wavers staffing the keyboards and we've heard it all before. "Oh, I'm not a Trump supporter, I'll just continue to obfuscate and try to channel all complaints to Anybody But Trump."

I'd not just declassify FISA applications, I'd junk the whole system and put together a crackerjack team of my top advisors and have them rebuild it with something more responsive to the public interest. Then again, I'd reorganize the judiciary to get rid of political parties and elections.
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I find it entertaining how much everyone wants to classify someone as a trumpet, or not. This seems more important than the actual conversation to some. Definitely entertaining.

Lets hope the fisa documents become publicly available. This would be good for all Americans.
 
varwoche said:
Stop linking to crap, long videos!

I take it from your response (to me upthread) that you also refuse to post the text from the CNN article that you think supports your claim, opting instead to stand behind the naked link. This is non-communicative. This sort of evasive posting style is a strong indicator that your claims are without merit, although that was already obvious.
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I already linked to another article with the same information. But please, make sure you respond to it also and conclude that the non communication is real. It's no wonder this forum seems to be filled with one common theme. I get why now.
 
I'm going to exit this echo chamber. May your hopes and dreams about the Mueller time come true. Alhough, I sincerely think many will be surprised with how this all ends.
 
River said:
I'm going to exit this echo chamber. May your hopes and dreams about the Mueller time come true. Alhough, I sincerely think many will be surprised with how this all ends.
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Anything you need to help you not look at the evidence while insisting that you're only interested in the truth. :D

Toodles.
 
River said:
I agree that there are multiple plausible scenarios regarding the files and timestamps. However, to disregard any of them would be foolish. Including the scenario that files may have been downloaded locally.
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How do you explain that Trump's entire senior national security team -- Trump appointees who would be highly motivated to side with you and Trump -- somehow got snookered?

I've posed this question to you several times, and I get why you ignore it.

Within the realm of politics, you are making what amounts to an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Yet to backup your extraordinary claim, you foist an RT youtube!?! What a joke.
 
“Why won’t you listen to my outdated, implausible and evidence-free assertion of how it happened just because it was debunked by experts!!!”

STOMPSTOMPSTOMP!
 
River said:
I'm going to exit this echo chamber. May your hopes and dreams about the Mueller time come true. Alhough, I sincerely think many will be surprised with how this all ends.
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Again, your behavior here is not at all different from the posters who discover 9/11 truth and wander into that subforum with long debunked theories, along with similar insults and bluster.
 
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River said:
I'm going to exit this echo chamber. May your hopes and dreams about the Mueller time come true. Alhough, I sincerely think many will be surprised with how this all ends.
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Since it would actually be on-topic for this thread - how do you see the Mueller investigation ending?

I think, from the information we currently have, that it will likely conclude next year or the year after that. Before that time more people will be indicted, probably including Sessions, Trump's children, etc. Many, if not all of those people will also flip on Trump. Mueller's final findings will definitely establish obstruction of justice charges which can be brought against Trump. There will be evidence of conspiracy, computer crimes, etc. but I'm not sure there will be enough to guarantee a prosecution. If the Democrats control the House at that point, there will definitely be impeachment proceedings. If the Republicans do, there still may be, depending on if they feel that Trump can still be useful, and if they think they can impeach while avoiding any or much of the stain getting onto themselves. Trump will probably fight it, but may be able to find himself a way to resign while still maintaining his innocence and blaming it all on the Rigged Witch Hunt. He may say that he is not a crook.

I'm not 100% sure how the SCOTUS will figure in to it all, but I'm not sure Trump should expect any loyalty from those he has managed to install there. He's not a man who attracts loyalty, and I doubt there's anybody in his orbit (other, perhaps, than Ivanka) who won't throw him under the bus when it becomes advantageous to do so.
 
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