Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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varwoche said:
Russia hacked the infamous emails, and published them (via their stooge) in such a way as to cause maximum damage to Clinton.

There is no doubt this influenced the election. We'll never know the extent. It was a close election.
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Americans have disliked Hillary for the last 30 years. The emails didn't alter my opinion of her in the least -- she'll always be remembered as President Bill Clinton's annoying and obnoxious wife.
 
River said:
Are you aware that the transfer speeds on the files that were "hacked" is pretty well regarded as not possible overseas? Many IT and former officials have weighed in on that opinion. You're also disregarding the statement from Assange.

Where these investigations lead should be interesting. Both sides cannot be telling the truth. Crowdstrike and Fusiongps reports were both DNC funded.

Here is one of those opinions about the speed of transfer.
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Maybe go back and reread parts I and II. Your objections have already been addressed. Check out CE's posting stats because you and s/he are using the same discredited sources.
 
Goddammit, this is a complete fringe reset. Do we really have to go through all of this inane bickering once more just because a new Trumpist decides to flaunt his ignorance?
 
Elagabalus said:
Maybe go back and reread parts I and II. Your objections have already been addressed. Check out CE's posting stats because you and s/he are using the same discredited sources.
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Can you please link to that? I'm curious to see someone in Russia getting those speeds from East coast USA servers.
 
thaiboxerken said:
When facts, evidence and logic fail their position, all they can do is tell lies and insults.
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Yeah, I don't see the point of being on a discussion forum if you're not willing to discuss things. For every post that has a genuine, fact-based, good-faith defense of Trump, there are at least 10 from the pro-Trump camp that are just evasion, misdirection, name-calling and gloating over their imaginary superiority.

I don't mean all the of them; there are some Trump defenders that do make substantive comments, argue in good faith and help move the conversation forward.
 
Minoosh said:
I don't mean all the of them; there are some Trump defenders that do make substantive comments, argue in good faith and help move the conversation forward.
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I am sorry, but I disagree. I don't think there are any, at least not here. I don't believe it's possible to argue in good faith and be a Trump supporter. To defend the indefensible you need to lie and obfuscate.
 
Papadopoulos seems to be trying to discredit the investigation with his latest tweetstorm:

https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039190848213274624

I introduced candidate Trump to the Egyptian president during the campaign. A president who's country I actually had deep connections to, and the campaign accepted. I failed to introduce him to Putin.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039205960168955907

Furthermore, to put things in context, even with my real contact in Egypt, it was only AFTER I introduced Trump-Sisi that the Egyptian Ambassador hosted me to congratulate me. On the other hand, Alexander Downer, wanted to meet under incredibly suspicious circumstances.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039269688436568064

I found it so odd that Downer, who gained notoriety in Australia for wearing women's fish nets, invited me to "order" me to stop "bothering" his good friend David Cameron. And told me my views were hostile to British interests.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039275949718683654

So basically, for those paying attention, we have a Clinton friend, connected to the MI6, and private intelligence organizations in London, probing me about my ties to the energy business offshore Israel. Nothing about the US-Australia relationship.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039276619196719105

Yet I supposedly told THAT individual about emails. Something I have no recollection ever discussing.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039331726672187393

The notion that Downer randomly reached out to me just to have a gin and tonic is laughable. Some organization or entity sent him to meet me. For the sake of our republic and the integrity of this investigation, I think it's time Downer is as exposed as Christoper Steele.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039332575486140417

Would be a very very big problem if British intelligence was weopanized against an American citizen.
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1039367305396924416

I love the USA and the brave men and women of the FBI that risk their lives to protect us. I made the mistake to lie to them for wish I am ashamed. On the other hand, I did notify them that I thought Downer was recording me with his phone. I hope that was investigated.
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Although, he may have mucked up because he posted then hastily deleted the following:

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Belz... said:
That is absolutely not true.

You can't choose your own set of facts, River.
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The links I've seen so far here were all based on those two entities reports. (crowdstrike, and fusiongps)

What other entities had access to the DNC server?

You're dismissing Assanges statement saying it wasnt Russia, and not a state entity? Based on what?
 
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River said:
The links I've seen so far here were all based on those two entities reports. (crowdstrike, and fusiongps)

What other entities had access to the DNC server?

You're dismissing Assanges statement saying it wasnt Russia, and not a state entity? Based on what?
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Pretty much all the intelligence agencies of the world agree that Russia acted to influence the elections and was involved in the hack.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Who to believe? Assange, or every US intelligence agency, the fact that Guccifer has been revealed as GRU agents, and the fact that the documents contain Russian metadata and Russian error codes? It's a toughie.
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Every intelligence agency maybe should've required authentication or verification of ANYTHING from the DNC. However, instead they decided to accept a report made by two entities (crowdstrike, and fusion gps) paid for by the DNC. It's the russians, trust us. Our intelligence agencies were never given access to the servers.
 
River said:
Every intelligence agency maybe should've required authentication or verification of ANYTHING from the DNC. However, instead they decided to accept a report made by two entities (crowdstrike, and fusion gps) paid for by the DNC. It's the russians, trust us. Our intelligence agencies were never given access to the servers.
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Why do we call it "Intelligence" if, as you say, the agencies are so gullible?

Or is it the Trumpists who are the gullible ones? I guess we'll never know...

Youtube links for the win, though.
 
River said:
Every intelligence agency maybe should've required authentication or verification of ANYTHING from the DNC. However, instead they decided to accept a report made by two entities (crowdstrike, and fusion gps) paid for by the DNC. It's the russians, trust us. Our intelligence agencies were never given access to the servers.
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You are again ignoring salient points that contradict what you'd like to believe in order to focus on just one that you feel you can dispute. And, again, you are wrong.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-.../missing-servers-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

DNC spokeswoman Adrienne Watson told PolitiFact that the DNC cooperated with the FBI’s requests, which resulted in the DNC providing a copy of their server.

"An image of a server is the best thing to use in an investigation so that your exploration of the server does not change the evidence (just like you don’t want investigators leaving their own DNA around a physical crime scene) and so that the bad actors cannot make changes to the evidence while you are looking at it," Watson said. "Any suggestion that they were denied access to what they wanted for their investigation is completely incorrect."
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/17/dnc-server-hack-russia-trump-2016-219017

First off, CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought in to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI. For the purposes of an investigation of this type, images are much more useful than handing over metal and hardware, because they are bit-by-bit copies of a crime scene taken while the crime was going on. Live hard drive and memory snapshots of blinking, powered-on machines in a network reveal significantly more forensic data than some powered-off server removed from a network. It’s the difference between watching a house over time, carefully noting down who comes and goes and when and how, versus handing over a key to a lonely boarded-up building. By physically handing over a server to the FBI as Trump suggested, the DNC would in fact have destroyed evidence. (Besides, there wasn’t just one server, but 140.)
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You should read the rest of that article.

Oh, you also appear to have abandoned the argument that it wasn't Russia because Assange said it wasn't Russia. FWIW, Putin said it wasn't Russia, too. And Kim Jong-Un has said that he is denuclearising.
 
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