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Intelligent Design

Iacchus said:
Am not so sure about that, since spirits live in their own houses, drive cars, go to schools, and all sorts of things. In fact it's very much like the world we live in currently, except that eveything exists in a higher state of perfection.
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I think you've been playing "The Sims" too much. But then, you're the God in that game, aren't you?
 
Taffer said:
So, Iacchus, you admit to being unable to tell the difference between being awake and being asleep? Well, that certainly says a lot.
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It has everything to do with the quality of the experience. Albeit much of the time I am able to discern the difference between the two.
 
Iacchus said:
It has everything to do with the quality of the experience. Albeit much of the time I am able to discern the difference between the two.
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Dude,
Honestly, this is not a jab. See a doctor. If you cannot tell the difference between dream, reality and hallucinations, there IS something wrong. If you are not on psychotropic chemicals, there is something wrong in your head.
 
kmortis said:
Actually, Iacchus, I have a very easy time seperating reality from fiction. I fully understand that my dreams are random (oh no, not THAT word again) firing of neurons that occur while I sleep. In my younger days, I attributed meaning to them, then I realized that they have no meaning. Jung was wrong, ok?
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Which part of you do you associate with being real then?

So, the Universe came into existence, and everthing about it (as science continues to discover) is arrayed as such that it can be observed. Is this the reality you're referring to here? ... Very interesting.
 
kmortis said:
Dude,
Honestly, this is not a jab. See a doctor. If you cannot tell the difference between dream, reality and hallucinations, there IS something wrong. If you are not on psychotropic chemicals, there is something wrong in your head.
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"I" am the "observer."
 
kmortis said:
Dude,
Honestly, this is not a jab. See a doctor. If you cannot tell the difference between dream, reality and hallucinations, there IS something wrong. If you are not on psychotropic chemicals, there is something wrong in your head.
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And no, just because I may have vivid dreams, does not mean I hallucinate in the "everyday world" you're referring to. The differentiation I'm referring to is the differentiation that occurs in my dreams. Sometimes you know that you're dreaming, sometimes you don't know that it's not real, and sometimes you don't know that you're dreaming at all or, have no recollection of it.
 
Upchurch said:
Baron Von Ascii's reality hangs in the balance! Is he real?
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As real as the directed electrons being fired at the phosphorous screen (or LCD switches in an LCD monitor, etc.) that make up the image we are calling 'Baron Von ASCII'. But that's as far as I would go. :)
 
But he is not, in any sense, a human being with his own life and free will, which is what Iacchus implies when he says dream characters are real. I'm trying to find out what "reality" encompases for Iacchus, but he refuses to answer the simplest of questions. I want to know if he understands fiction.
 
From all past experience with Iacchus, it would appear that anything is fair game for his credulity. ;)
 
I know. It's just like regular life but he's added the label "perfection," which seriously detracts from the meaning.
 
Tricky said:
Yeah, you got to wonder, if it is perfection, why do they have to go to school?
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Tricky, You have to understand that it's not perfection...it's "perfection", ya dig? I can't explain it any more as then my point would be made clear and I might actually have to defend my position. Grok? ;)

When I dream about "perfection" it's as "real" as this reality, but I can discern only when that "perfection" isn't perfect. And since my "Designer" appears to me in my dreams, he too is "perfect" in every way, without that messy part of being perfect.
 
c4ts said:
I know. It's just like regular life but he's added the label "perfection," which seriously detracts from the meaning.
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Tricky said:
Yeah, you got to wonder, if it is perfection, why do they have to go to school?
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Or, perhaps if I said "elevated" state? This is one reason why it's so difficult to describe. It's enough to achieve this state, let alone maintain it and, since there comes a point when you have to wake up to the everyday reality of this world (unless you die of course) which, is crude by all accounts, you cannot think from both aspects simultaneously. So, while you may wake up in an elevated state, the best thing to do is drop it as soon as possible, otherwise all you can do is agonize over its loss, since it is not compatible (for the most part) with the comings and goings of this world. Indeed, it would be very much like the change of atmospheres between fish and air breathing mammals. You would be better off going back to behaving like a fish, as opposed to trying to breath air through a set of lungs you don't have.
 
KingMerv00 said:
Ummmm...I think we broke him.
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No, am merely reminding Tricky that we cannot separate our reality from our dream state ... aside from the fact that we are "tied" to our physical bodies of course. But then again, yes, if we weren't tied to the physical world through our bodies, we would come face to face with the dream world.
 
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