Trump and NFL boycott

BrooklynBaby said:
It's a bit surprising to see Nike and the NFL join Kaepernick and the drug gangs against the American Flag, fallen heroes and Vets, law enforcement, and the safety of our citizens. I'll only be watching the Cowboys this year, and I've been a big NFL fan for a long time. That way I can root against whatever team of kneelers they are playing.
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BobTheCoward said:
Good thing kneeling doesn't actually say anything about the flag, fallen heroes, vets. It is an appeal to improving the safety of citizens.
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The ad doesn't take sides on the flag issue. It talks about risking it all.

For me, the flag represents freedom. Particularly that freedom that allows anyone to challenge the government. If we can't be tolerant of that, what can we be tolerant of?
 
acbytesla said:
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The ad doesn't take sides on the flag issue. It talks about risking it all.

For me, the flag represents freedom. Particularly that freedom that allows anyone to challenge the government. If we can't be tolerant of that, what can we be tolerant of?
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Yeah. Kneeling seems completely silent on people who died in conflict. If anything, it is an amazing gesture fo thanks to them.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Good thing kneeling doesn't actually say anything about the flag, fallen heroes, vets. It is an appeal to improving the safety of citizens.
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Kaepernick can't unwear the pig socks or pretend the National Anthem wasn't playing, and using a few outliers and pretending they are the norm is simply fraud. Watch LivePD and see how often these druggies in the hoods and the trailers attack or run from cops, then add in the thousands of other departments aside from the six shown live and try to calculate the number of times a year these thugs attack cops and don't get shot because the cops risk their own safety to use something other than lethal force to get them under control.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Kaepernick can't unwear the pig socks or pretend the National Anthem wasn't playing, and using a few outliers and pretending they are the norm is simply fraud. Watch LivePD and see how often these druggies in the hoods and the trailers attack or run from cops, then add in the thousands of other departments aside from the six shown live and try to calculate the number of times a year these thugs attack cops and don't get shot because the cops risk their own safety to use something other than lethal force to get them under control.
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And they need to suck it up and use lethal force less often than they do now.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Kaepernick can't unwear the pig socks or pretend the National Anthem wasn't playing, and using a few outliers and pretending they are the norm is simply fraud. Watch LivePD and see how often these druggies in the hoods and the trailers attack or run from cops, then add in the thousands of other departments aside from the six shown live and try to calculate the number of times a year these thugs attack cops and don't get shot because the cops risk their own safety to use something other than lethal force to get them under control.
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We are talking about an ad for tennis shoes.

And how many times do they shoot unarmed suspects? Bet you more cops kill suspects then cops are killed by a long shot. Bet you, blacks get questioned more and more of them are in prison for petty crimes than are whites. Let's not pretend there isn't a bias problem with policing. Let's not pretend that blacks aren't afraid of getting inadvertently getting shot by a twitchy cop during a police stop.
 
acbytesla said:
We are talking about an ad for tennis shoes.

And how many times do they shoot unarmed suspects? Bet you more cops kill suspects then cops are killed by a long shot. Bet you, blacks get questioned more and more of them are in prison for petty crimes than are whites. Let's not pretend there isn't a bias problem with policing. Let's not pretend that blacks aren't afraid of getting inadvertently getting shot by a twitchy cop during a police stop.
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"Beaten and/or tossed into the prison system" is by far the greater fear IMO, especially since these are often based on first-hand experiences.

But when I think about my younger cousins, "killed" is big fear, so that could easily hold true for most parents, older siblings, and really children as well.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
It's a bit surprising to see Nike and the NFL join Kaepernick and the drug gangs against the American Flag, fallen heroes and Vets, law enforcement, and the safety of our citizens. I'll only be watching the Cowboys this year, and I've been a big NFL fan for a long time. That way I can root against whatever team of kneelers they are playing.
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Abrogating a national symbol to a subset of the population and a specific party ideology is emblematic of fascist thinking. It is also betrayal of democratic principle. To stand and salute among so many who hold these views, or at their insistence, would be an act of abject capitulation to complete and utter nonsense.

As long as there are perceptible voices calling for saluting the flag to honor any particular group(s), and not the country and its Constitution, one should do no such thing, as that is to dishonor basic principle and risk honoring quite a number of individuals who deserve no such thing at all, those at Abu Ghraib being an excellent example.

Clothes, in fact, do not "make the man," shiny badges or buttons notwithstanding.
 
Mumbles said:
"Beaten and/or tossed into the prison system" is by far the greater fear IMO, especially since these are often based on first-hand experiences.

But when I think about my younger cousins, "killed" is big fear, so that could easily hold true for most parents, older siblings, and really children as well.
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Is being killed by the police a rational fear or one that has been drummed up?
 
eeyore1954 said:
Is being killed by the police a rational fear or one that has been drummed up?
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Is being killed by lightning or sharks a rational fear or one that has been drummed up?

Well, what's your standard here? If the probability is nonzero but really small, is that rational? Is there some threshold probability above which the fear becomes rational? Is it rational to fear one low probability event more than another if the second one is more probable than the first?
 
applecorped said:
Lol
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The only other people that have kneeling for them are coaches and the queen.

If he pulled down is pants and mooned the crowd, I might have been offended as someone who served in the military. But kneeling? That is an alternative, respectful gesture. Swaping one respectful gesture for another in a context it isn't used? That is a respectful act of expression.
 
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Slight tangent from most of the discussion, but my favorite thing about the new Nike/Kaepernick ad campaign is the various parodies. For example:
https://twitter.com/Keith89120/status/1037909504128561152
https://twitter.com/ComedicMerc/status/1037162249532702725
https://twitter.com/Narrator_Wuten/status/1038046402570579968
https://twitter.com/dogmemequeen/status/1037762873194307585
https://twitter.com/TreyRoberts1982/status/1037859878616723456

Note: I don't think the humor of these ones depend on having any particular opinion of Kaepernick.

OK, one more:
https://twitter.com/official_ronn/status/1037460974804955136
 
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Ziggurat said:
Slight tangent from most of the discussion, but my favorite thing about the new Nike/Kaepernick ad campaign is the various parodies. For example:
https://twitter.com/Keith89120/status/1037909504128561152
https://twitter.com/ComedicMerc/status/1037162249532702725
https://twitter.com/Narrator_Wuten/status/1038046402570579968
https://twitter.com/dogmemequeen/status/1037762873194307585
https://twitter.com/TreyRoberts1982/status/1037859878616723456

Note: I don't think the humor of these ones depend on having any particular opinion of Kaepernick.

OK, one more:
https://twitter.com/official_ronn/status/1037460974804955136
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Those are actually low key funny. I was expecting the full Godwin.
 
Ziggurat said:
Slight tangent from most of the discussion, but my favorite thing about the new Nike/Kaepernick ad campaign is the various parodies. For example:
https://twitter.com/Keith89120/status/1037909504128561152
https://twitter.com/ComedicMerc/status/1037162249532702725
https://twitter.com/Narrator_Wuten/status/1038046402570579968
https://twitter.com/dogmemequeen/status/1037762873194307585
https://twitter.com/TreyRoberts1982/status/1037859878616723456

Note: I don't think the humor of these ones depend on having any particular opinion of Kaepernick.

OK, one more:
https://twitter.com/official_ronn/status/1037460974804955136
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:thumbsup: I particularly like the Harding one.
 
acbytesla said:
You should jump in. And I wasn't speaking about a specific person and yet I was.

I do think people can fool themselves.

But in this case, I don't believe hardly any of these people waving the Confederate flag around are doing it because they believe in 'state's right's'. I don't think they really want to bring back slavery or even the Jim Crow laws either. I think racism plays a part, but I think with many it's a desperate pushback against a modern world that they feel is encroaching on their way of life. The flag is a big middle finger to city folk and the inevitable change.
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I think that's a reasonable interpretation.

Some of the guys flying that flag are surely racist, but some are certainly not doing it for racist reasons. It's a matter of rebellion.

Now, when I say this, I'm not defending their choice. The connection between the Confederacy and slavery is undeniable, and to fly that flag is reasonably offensive. If they're not racist then they really ought to know better. But some don't.
 
Travis said:
Thank goodness he did. The cops of America are racist slime that murder without regard any black man they can. I'm glad someone called them out for it and pissed off conservatives at the same time.
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You really are no better than your ideological opponents.
 
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