Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

[Belz...]

It was worked for the law firm that a lawyer from works for Trump.

She didn't say lawyer. She said anyone. Law firms employ people that are not lawyers.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I am sure he would love for everybody to think that, but the only scoops Corsi has ever gotten right are the ones he takes out his cat's litter box.



I am sure that Corsi's contribution to the Birthers was a farrago of lies and quote mines. Let's remember that just before his Birther and Truther phase, Corsi was a big believer in the North American Union nonsense.

I hear he is also a round earther.

 

[ponderingturtle]

One thing I don't understand about how the law works is how useful the "I don't remember/I do not recall" strategy ends up being.

If he talked to someone at that law firm about Mueller, he would too recall/remember, way beyond reasonable doubt, so it would still be perjury. ("Be perjury" in all reality, in an existential sort of sense, even if he'd win the legal battle for whatever mysterious reason it is that makes that technique effective in legal proceedings.)

Look Sessions proved lying to congress in confirmation hearings is acceptable,

 

[Segnosaur]

You have to admit, he's "gifted" at manipulating people who are more stupider than even he is, right?

Like, he's bordering on savant-level at confidence artistry.

Honestly no I don't. That he reacts to stimulus isn't a sign of intelligence!

I think if you want to see the prime example of how he simply reacts to stimulus look at the rally in which he ended up saying Obama founded ISIS. You can see and hear he is simply reacting to crowd feedback, he has no thought of what he is saying, as long as the crowd feedback is good he continues, that really takes no thought.

And not only that....

One of the reasons he gets the feedback he does is because of luck...

Luck in being the son of a wealthy individual, which makes him more respectable to many. (Had he been born into a poor or middle class family, he probably would have ended up working at McDonalds, and I doubt many people would cheer as much for a fry-cook as they do for a "millionaire".)

Luck in having others around him who were able to manipulate people on his behalf. (Fox news, who willingly repeats his lies in the republican echo chamber.)

 

[Mumbles]

And not only that....

One of the reasons he gets the feedback he does is because of luck...

Luck in being the son of a wealthy individual, which makes him more respectable to many. (Had he been born into a poor or middle class family, he probably would have ended up working at McDonalds, and I doubt many people would cheer as much for a fry-cook as they do for a "millionaire".)

Luck in having others around him who were able to manipulate people on his behalf. (Fox news, who willingly repeats his lies in the republican echo chamber.)

As I said, if he weren't born into a wealthy family, he'd be a failed and possibly murdered 3-card Monte dealer in NYC.

 

[CORed]

All anyone ever does is react to stimulus, technically. Some people just have better computational stuff in the old noggin. LOL

I don't think he's an "evil genius" kind of smart, but I think he's a pretty talented huckster.

I think he has a certain amount of "street smarts", which has allowed him to be semi-successful in the real estate business and "reality" TV. At least, he was smart enough not to lose his inherited money. He is, however, if not stupid, profoundly ignorant and morally bankrupt.

As POTUS, he is hopelessly ignorant of the most basic knowledge needed to do the job, and has none of the skills necessary to do even an adequate job.

 

[Toontown]

I think the phrase is Trump is a poor personss idea of a rich person.

Trumpkins are not poor. A median income of $72,000 is nowhere near poverty.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits

They just don't want to pay taxes. And a large proportion of them are evangelicals who were easily seduced by Trump's promise that he would give them "lots of power".

They're feeling pretty powerful right now. I see them out on the streets every day, blowing that Trump tax cut money out the ass ends of their YUGE vehicles in the form of burnt gasoline, as the streets beneath them crumble and the planet groans under the weight.

Then I watch them haul their gargantuan asses out of the yuge vehicles to go buy more groceries and beer, or swallow a couple of big macs.

Basically, they're just little Trumps. Sub-Trumps. They don't have yuge jets, but they wish they did. They don't launder Russian mob money, but they wish they could.

 

[Segnosaur]

I think he has a certain amount of "street smarts", which has allowed him to be semi-successful in the real estate business and "reality" TV. At least, he was smart enough not to lose his inherited money.

Actually he might not be as successful at real estate as you think.

Remember:
- He has had multiple business declare bankruptcy
- American banks won't lend him money any more
- Much of his money comes from licensing his 'brand'. Yeah, brings in lots of cash (and heck, I'd do the same thing too if I could.) But the only reason he even HAS a brand is because he was born wealthy

At this point, I think most of his 'wealth' is from money laundering (related to the russians) and similar activities. For that, you don't need "street smarts"; you just have to be willing to be a patsy.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump isn't stupid. He understands exactly how to manipulate those who are stupid.

Seriously what do you base that on?

He seems to me from his public pontifications over the years and his current performance to exhibit all the signs I expect from someone who is stupid.

I don't think Trump is overly intelligent but he is not stupid. He did manage to graduate from Wharton. Stupid people can't do that. I think he's of average intelligence, but not curious, and thinks he already knows everything.

To think he just reacts to others isn't supported by events. He managed to beat several primary opponents by recognizing what his base wanted; the others did not.

As to some in his administration calling him stupid, an idiot, and a moron is because his actions and way of thinking are guided not by a lack of normal intelligence but by his malignant narcissism and, as they said, his amorality and impulsiveness. It affects everything he does and makes him do and say stupid things but that does not make him stupid.

 

[Segnosaur]

I don't think Trump is overly intelligent but he is not stupid. He did manage to graduate from Wharton. Stupid people can't do that.

He was also from a wealthy family. I suspect extensive tutoring might have been involved. And some people are saying bribery. You know, the best people are saying it. I don't believe it myself but its what people are saying.

To think he just reacts to others isn't supported by events. He managed to beat several primary opponents by recognizing what his base wanted; the others did not.

The Republican "clown car" primaries were not exactly an ideal measure of his ability to "recognize what the base wanted". For the first 2 months, he didn't get anywhere near 50% of the popular vote. (You don't have to be particularly good to win a primary, you just have to be better than an almost equally bad alternative.)

Plus, Trump did receive assistance from others... Bannon, Fox News, Russia. Had those not assisted him he would probably not have become the republican candidate.

As to some in his administration calling him stupid, an idiot, and a moron is because his actions and way of thinking are guided not by a lack of normal intelligence but by his malignant narcissism and, as they said, his amorality and impulsiveness....

I disagree.

Yes, he is a narcissist, amoral, etc. But, there were times when he COULD have acted intelligently (egotistically/immorally, but still intelligently) but chose not to.

 

[acbytesla]

I don't think Trump is overly intelligent but he is not stupid. He did manage to graduate from Wharton. Stupid people can't do that. I think he's of average intelligence, but not curious, and thinks he already knows everything.

To think he just reacts to others isn't supported by events. He managed to beat several primary opponents by recognizing what his base wanted; the others did not.

As to some in his administration calling him stupid, an idiot, and a moron is because his actions and way of thinking are guided not by a lack of normal intelligence but by his malignant narcissism and, as they said, his amorality and impulsiveness. It affects everything he does and makes him do and say stupid things but that does not make him stupid.

He's 70 plus years of age. How old was he when he graduated from Wharton? Compare Trump speaking in 1994 to today. He use to be coherent and make sense. Not any more.

Trump is lazy and believes he can make 'gut' decisions. Being President and doing a good job requires an incredible amount of hard work and reading. Your gut is not likely to make good decisions if you are ignorant.

I think Trump could teach a master class at staying in the news. But beyond that, he's a moron.

 

[CapelDodger]

He was also from a wealthy family. I suspect extensive tutoring might have been involved. And some people are saying bribery. You know, the best people are saying it. I don't believe it myself but its what people are saying.

A very credible source informs me that the certificate is a fake.

 

[Stacyhs]

He was also from a wealthy family. I suspect extensive tutoring might have been involved. And some people are saying bribery. You know, the best people are saying it. I don't believe it myself but its what people are saying.

I wouldn't doubt tutoring may have been involved but the fact he graduated still shows he's not "stupid". After all, he did have to take the exams and pass them.

The Republican "clown car" primaries were not exactly an ideal measure of his ability to "recognize what the base wanted". For the first 2 months, he didn't get anywhere near 50% of the popular vote. (You don't have to be particularly good to win a primary, you just have to be better than an almost equally bad alternative.)

The fact he didn't get near 50% of the vote for the first few months is due to the fact that there were so many primary contenders. In fact, he never hit 50% but came close with 49.9% of the popular vote with Cruz, Rubio and Kasich taking the remaining votes. But he clearly hit a note with his base as his numbers went up steadily during the primaries.

Plus, Trump did receive assistance from others... Bannon, Fox News, Russia. Had those not assisted him he would probably not have become the republican candidate.

He got their assistance because he gave them what they wanted. He still does.
Whether or not he would have become the candidate without them is pure speculation. Frankly, when I see the fanatical loyalty he has engendered among his supporters, I think he really didn't need FOX News, Bannon, Russia et al to succeed.

I disagree.

Yes, he is a narcissist, amoral, etc. But, there were times when he COULD have acted intelligently (egotistically/immorally, but still intelligently) but chose not to.

And there were times he did. But Trump will always do what he thinks is best for Trump because his narcissism and amorality rule him.

You think he's just stupid. Fine. But I do not. I think he's of average intelligence but acts like an idiot because of his extreme, malignant narcissism.

 

[Stacyhs]

He's 70 plus years of age. How old was he when he graduated from Wharton? Compare Trump speaking in 1994 to today. He use to be coherent and make sense. Not any more.

Trump is lazy and believes he can make 'gut' decisions. Being President and doing a good job requires an incredible amount of hard work and reading. Your gut is not likely to make good decisions if you are ignorant.

I think Trump could teach a master class at staying in the news. But beyond that, he's a moron.

I agree that he has declined mentally. His vocabulary has become much more limited since he has aged as we can see in older interviews. He repeats himself constantly (usually at least three times) and has trouble verbally completing a coherent thought. He wanders all over the place jumping from one thought to another in the middle of a sentence.

I agree he's "an idiot" and "moron" but not in the classical meaning of the words.

 

[Toontown]

Actually he might not be as successful at real estate as you think.

Remember:
- He has had multiple business declare bankruptcy
- American banks won't lend him money any more
- Much of his money comes from licensing his 'brand'. Yeah, brings in lots of cash (and heck, I'd do the same thing too if I could.) But the only reason he even HAS a brand is because he was born wealthy

At this point, I think most of his 'wealth' is from money laundering (related to the russians) and similar activities. For that, you don't need "street smarts"; you just have to be willing to be a patsy.

Essentially, Trump has lost wealth.

His current net worth is estimated at @3 billion. If he had simply invested his original inheritance in a mutual fund and done nothing else, he would now have @8 billion.

That's not success at all. Trump is a YUGE loser, compared to a hypothetical Richie Rich who simply invests his wealth in a mutual fund.

 

[River]

Essentially, Trump has lost wealth.

His current net worth is estimated at @3 billion. If he had simply invested his original inheritance in a mutual fund and done nothing else, he would now have @8 billion.

That's not success at all. Trump is a YUGE loser, compared to a hypothetical Richie Rich who simply invests his wealth in a mutual fund.

I'm sure Toontown has much bigger accomplishments than becoming potus under their belt. I'm just here for the entertainment. The Trump hate in this thread is hilarious. Meanwhile, the USA seems to be doing just fine. (insert the boy who cried wolf here)

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm sure Toontown has much bigger accomplishments than becoming potus under their belt. I'm just here for the entertainment. The Trump hate in this thread is hilarious. Meanwhile, the USA seems to be doing just fine. (insert the boy who cried wolf here)

I guess if you consider the rolling back of environmental and economic safeguards, the cozying up to Putin and Kim Jung Un (with nothing to see from it), the attacks on the freedom of the press, the FBI, and the judiciary as " the USA doing just fine", I'd have to agree with you. But I don't.

 

[pgwenthold]

As I said, if he weren't born into a wealthy family, he'd be a failed and possibly murdered 3-card Monte dealer in NYC.

I've mentioned before a quote I've seen, something "In a just world, Trump would be a used car salesman and Bannin would be the guy standing out front in a hot dog suit who masturbates in the Arby's bathroom across the street in his lunch break"

That's some imageey

 

[LSSBB]

I'm sure Toontown has much bigger accomplishments than becoming potus under their belt. I'm just here for the entertainment. The Trump hate in this thread is hilarious. Meanwhile, the USA seems to be doing just fine. (insert the boy who cried wolf here)

Define seems.

 

[Toontown]

I'm sure Toontown has much bigger accomplishments than becoming potus under their belt. I'm just here for the entertainment. The Trump hate in this thread is hilarious. Meanwhile, the USA seems to be doing just fine. (insert the boy who cried wolf here)

Your post contains roughly as infinitesimal an amount of substance as a Trump rally speech.

You attacked the messenger, failed to address the point, dubiously proclaimed the entertainment value of seeking out Trump hate which you dubiously claim to find hilarious, then committed the fallacy of attributing what you perceive as the fine doings of the U.S. to Trump, rather than the 325 million people who comprise a country that was already fabulously wealthy and successful when Trump was born.

Predictably, the bottom line remains unchanged after all your obfuscation attempts. A Richie Rich who had invested an equal inheritance at the same time Trump got his would now be @5 billion ahead of Trump, after spending a lifetime dodging AIDS or whatever.

As for his meteoric rise to POTUS, it is my sad duty to inform you that this is NOT evidence that the U.S. is doing well. OTC, Trump's seizure of the White House, with the help of the Russians, is a disturbing indication of the decay of U.S. democracy.