Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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Ziggurat said:
Everything in that post was true. Feel free to add whatever additional information you feel is relevant, but how can true facts be a lie? And if that's what loses respect from you, perhaps I'm better off without your respect.
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Only the little something about the CF spending not 3 or 6% but something like 89% of its expenses (or revenues? Whatever) to advance its charitable purposes. As has already been ecplained by others, more than once

Your "true fact" misleads grossly about the nature of the CF's spending
, and you are too smart not to get it. That's why I call deliberate deception, iow a lie.
 
The Big Dog said:
Wanting to see a person hung up by his heel and throat slit is a “rational and level headed position.”

Trump has absolutely broken the left.
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Generalise much? You’re just like a magpie who’s found something shiny, and won’t stop shrieking.
 
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paulhutch said:
This is absolutely and clearly known to be false by anyone who understands the very tightly limited definition of treason designated by the founders over 200 years ago. The fact people are still trying to use the looser and easily abused definition of treason that the founders despised shows how correct they were to severely limit the definition for the USA.

Easy reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States
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Really? From your link

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,
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Trump is guilty.

giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason
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Trump is guilty.

and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000;
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Only if the reps grow a pair.

and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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Only if the reps grow a pair.
 
TheSupermeerkat said:
Generalise much? You’re just like a magpie who’s found something shiny, and won’t stop shrieking.
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Ehh, it's expected, though. He's pretty much got nothing to work with besides wishful thinking as he grandstands, after all. People having a general position of anti-fascism has a long history across the political spectrum and that has quite often involved rather dark/violent imagery, especially the anti-Nazi subset of anti-fascist sentiments. I don't personally endorse autumn1971's position at all, but to say that their position is a sign that Trump broke the left is hilarious in a very derisive way.

Belz... said:
Wait, does it? Or does intent and action suffice?
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At last check intent and attempted action is all that's necessary. Proving intent is generally the harder part... but, quite frankly, Trump's only halfway believable defense left on that front is for him to claim that he's a massive liar. While that would be true, it doesn't make for much of a defense.
 
The Big Dog said:
Wanting to see a person hung up by his heel and throat slit is a “rational and level headed position.”

Trump has absolutely broken the left.
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Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
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Not agreeing with Aridas but Trump seems to be pretty broken and he is the president, not some anonymous poster on the internet. If you want to know the source of TDS, look no further than Trump himself.
 
a_unique_person said:
Not agreeing with Aridas but Trump seems to be pretty broken and he is the president, not some anonymous poster on the internet. If you want to know the source of TDS, look no further than Trump himself.
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Yeah... Trump's a mostly separate issue from violent anti-fascist imagery/desires, which is what autumn1971 expressed, by the look of it. That it's Trump, specifically, is somewhat incidental, given how autumn1971 expressed/clarified their sentiment.

As for Trump and TDS, in the usage that I've seen, TDS is mostly a half-assed way by right-wingers to try to dismiss unhappiness with Trump and what he's doing by equating it with ODS, given how incredibly irrational even they could see that ODS was. As usual, they've taken something somewhat trivially true and chosen to hyperfocus on it, to the exclusion of the larger picture and a bunch of relevant facts that would thoroughly undermine their preferred narrative, either way. A very common feature of the current right-wing.
 
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abaddon said:
Really? From your link

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381

Trump is guilty.

Trump is guilty.

Only if the reps grow a pair.

Only if the reps grow a pair.
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Nope enemies requires an actual shooting war. It's why the Rosenberg's could not be charged with treason during the cold war, and why the espionage and sedition laws were created. You can pretend that 200 years of jurisprudence doesn't matter but that would make you a total idiot.
 
TheSupermeerkat said:
Generalise much? You’re just like a magpie who’s found something shiny, and won’t stop shrieking.
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Didn't find anything, it is just sitting there in the thread, indeed, you just made reference to it.

Strive for consistency.
 
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smartcooky said:
Do they care that he has insulted allied national leaders and crapped all over America's allies?

Do they care that he cannot open his mouth without lying.

Do they care that he stirs up racial hatred in America and that he thinks Nazis, the KKK and their associates are "good people"?

Do they care that he engenders religious bigotry?

Do they care that he encourages discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation?
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They like that he tells it like it is so those are positive points in his favor.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump isn't stupid. He understands exactly how to manipulate those who are stupid.
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How do you differentiate stupid from aggressively ignorant? I mean time zones who cares about them?

His narcissism and aggression ignorance is a pretty good starting point for being stupid.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
That's true. He defeated her by getting hacked information and altering his political strategy overnight WRT which states to focus on thereby taking advantage of that information, and by having pressure applied to Comey so that - rightly or wrongly - he felt he had no choice but to make a public announcement that Clinton was under investigation by the FBI.
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Also by having the data was able to target his message to individuals instead of having to put out one position to everyone he could put out targeted positions to each group on facebook, even when it contradicted other things he put out.
 
acbytesla said:
Avenatti thinks differently. He believes he will get to depose Trump.
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That may happen, but they would have to be very stupid to let the case get to that point. Giving up and saying that the settlement was invalid as someone already pleaded guilty to felonies involving it might happen.

It really depends on what documents she has on him. It has to be something pretty remarkable for it to be worth him fighting. Of course that depends on there being a rational policy in the Trump house, so I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Babbylonian said:
Sorry, but as much as I despise Trump and everything about him (a day doesn't go by that I don't wish for him and his entire family to drop dead), the tweet doesn't constitute an attempt to obstruct justice. It is a complaint about Sessions not obstructing justice and is thus incredibly distasteful and inappropriate, but since the words were sent out after the fact they can't really be construed as obstructing or attempting to obstruct anything.

Now, if it could be found that Trump had previously asked Sessions for a delay, that would be an attempt to obstruct justice.
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He isn't just commenting on these cases it's also an admonishment to "not do it again". Even if there isn't another pending case this type of pressure on the AG to time it's indictments based on political concerns is still obstruction of justice IMO.
 
lomiller said:
He isn't just commenting on these cases it's also an admonishment to "not do it again". Even if there isn't another pending case this type of pressure on the AG to time it's indictments based on political concerns is still obstruction of justice IMO.
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From Badscience

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Presidential crime 1972:

but the two reporters had run out of leads to follow. They needed help. Woodward moved the flower pot on his balcony to signal to Deep Throat. At 1 a.m. he left his apartment, took two cabs and walked for four blocks to the car park, arriving at 2.30 a.m. He was certain no-one was following.

Deep Throat was already there. He looked tired and uneasy, speaking quietly and without his usual flair for the dramatic.

“The President laid into the Attorney General,” he said. “Demanded to know why charges had been brought against the two Republican Congressmen. Said that would cost them two easy wins in the midterms. Sarcastically told the AG he was doing a good job.”

Woodward was shocked. Deep Throat’s information had always been good but this was a claim the President of the United States had committed a crime. Bringing political pressure to bear on his own Justice Department to protect fellow Republicans was obstruction of justice. Threatening to fire the Attorney General if he failed to politicize prosecution decisions was an impeachable offence. Furthermore, this was yet more evidence as to the President’s state of mind in his other controversial actions, indicating a desire to obstruct justice was his normal way of operating.

“Can you give me names?” he asked Deep Throat. “Who did the President say this to? Who was in the room?”

Deep Throat shook his head. “You have to follow the story yourself. Speak to your contacts. Get confirmations.”

Woodward arrived home at 4 a.m. and told Bernstein to come over. Not wanting to speak inside the apartment they walked around the block.

“Is Deep Throat jerking our chain?” said Bernstein. “Or are we being set up? The White House getting us to run an obstruction of justice story, then screwing us when it’s proved a fake?”

They decided they needed to speak to Bradley and took a cab over to his house. Despite the hour, Bradley invited them in and listened. Bernstein wanted to run the story but Woodward wasn’t so sure.

“Hit the phones,” said Bradley. “Call everyone. At least one of those sons of bitches in the White House will have the guts to talk.”

Bernstein had a contact at the Department of Justice who had previously given him background on the FBI personnel involved in the investigation. They arranged to meet at a breakfast bar. Bernstein knew there would
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Presidential crime 2018:

Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department. Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time. Good job Jeff......
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