2018 mid-term election

kellyb said:
He never used the possessive word "their" in the sentence. The last one being "their" would have to be a one-off.
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OK...one more try to defend what is indefensible either way..haha

He starts by saying "They're not sending their best."
Then he goes on to list what they ARE sending. They're is always followed by a verb. It makes the least sense to say he switched for the last one.

It's a disaster of homophonic proportions!

Lets substitute baked goods here.
"When Mexico sends us baked goods, they're not sending us their best. They're not sending eclairs. They're bringing donuts. They're bringing cupcakes. Their fruitcakes. And some, I assume are good foods. " :p
 
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.

“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”

-- Donald Trump (June 26, 2015)
 
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Sherkeu said:
Because he isn't listing what they ARE, he is listing what they are bringing. (they're is followed by a verb of bringing or sending something- not a noun like rapists)

They're bringing (their) drugs. They're bringing (their) crime. They're bringing their rapists.

It doesn't make sense the other way. But that's just my common sense interpretation. It doesn't make much difference.
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nods This also explains those comments about Judge Curiel, and those two supporters of his who beat up a homeless guy because he was Latino.

And his ignorant repeat from earlier this year as well.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"Mexico -- They're good people."
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I'm glad you feel that way. It appears we're getting through to you. Can I book you on a walking tour of the barrio? I've got a few friends who'd love to hear your ideas on inclusiveness.

(Keep trying, though. We don't have logger and you're but a pale imitation but we need at least one impervious to reason or criticism conservative to do the Class Clown bit. The others get so touchy.)
 
Slings and Arrows said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.

“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”

-- Donald Trump (June 26, 2015)
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He was saying that they aren't all deplorable?

Okay. Sounds reasonable. I'm glad to see that's a distinction you recognize and approve of.
 
quadraginta said:
He was saying that they aren't all deplorable?

Okay. Sounds reasonable. I'm glad to see that's a distinction you recognize and approve of.
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I don't know if Trump misspoke, or if his speech was improperly transcribed. But from reading it, it looks like he said: "some rapists are good people."
 
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Slings and Arrows said:
I don't know if Trump misspoke, or if his speech was improperly transcribed. But from reading it, it looks like he said: "some rapists are good people."
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Well, he doesn't have a lawyer named "The Fixer" for no reason! The man moves in different strata then the rest of us. Meh? I don't know enough rapists to be able to say that there are some with good qualities.
 
acbytesla said:
I really DON'T believe Distracted is who he wants us to believe he is.

This is all nonsense. He is suggesting that we all think that his generic use of the term 'monkey' makes him a racist in our mind. I doubt he's that obtuse.

I don't believe for one second that he's so oblivious that he can't see the difference between simply saying the word 'monkey' and saying 'monkey it up' by electing my black opponent.
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Do you not find it just a little disingenuous to add the "my black opponent" to the quote?
 
acbytesla said:
No. He just didn't use those words. He was referring to his opponent who happens to be coincidentally black.
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Again, you are stretching the truth. He never called his opponent a monkey.

Stretching someone's words beyond what was actually said, when it is entirely possible that those words were completely innocent, in order to apply a "racist" label to them makes one seem to be determined to stick that label on anyone.
This behavior is off putting to some.

ED to Add: this morning on MSNBC, Gillum used the expression : "when one wrestles with a pig you both get dirty, but the Pig likes it", a quaint expression which I may incorporate into my lexicon. It is unfortunate, however, that Gillum sees our law enforcement agents as "Pigs". Many people have a more charitable view of those who put their lives on the line to protect us.
 
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Slings and Arrows said:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”
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acbytesla said:
I really DON'T believe Distracted is who he wants us to believe he is.

This is all nonsense. He is suggesting that we all think that his generic use of the term 'monkey' makes him a racist in our mind. I doubt he's that obtuse.
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Back in the 40's, Truman spoke about "Trojan horse suggestions" made by people about whom he said "I suspect the people handing out this advice are not really well-wishers of the Democratic Party."

So, yeah. LOL
 
kellyb said:
Back in the 40's, Truman spoke about "Trojan horse suggestions" made by people about whom he said "I suspect the people handing out this advice are not really well-wishers of the Democratic Party."

So, yeah. LOL
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LOL,indeed.

It's almost as if many of my fellow Democrats would push away a supporter, not because they fail to support Unions, Environmental Protections, public schools, universal healthcare, equality of opportunity, gay marriage, net neutrality, et..al..

No, they need to be pushed away because they think it is a mistake to start yelling "racist" at someone who uses the term "monkey this up" when there is someone who is black involved.

Yeah, my advice. Is the Trojan Horse :rolleyes:
 
Distracted1 said:
Again, you are stretching the truth. He never called his opponent a monkey.

Stretching someone's words beyond what was actually said, when it is entirely possible that those words were completely innocent, in order to apply a "racist" label to them makes one seem to be determined to stick that label on anyone.
This behavior is off putting to some.

ED to Add: this morning on MSNBC, Gillum used the expression : "when one wrestles with a pig you both get dirty, but the Pig likes it", a quaint expression which I may incorporate into my lexicon. It is unfortunate, however, that Gillum sees our law enforcement agents as "Pigs". Many people have a more charitable view of those who put their lives on the line to protect us.
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Now youre just trolling. Gillum wasn't referring to the police but it sure as hell sounded like Desantis was talking about Gillum.

But you know what. None of that matters as we are not talking about Desantis we are talking about you and your support of a party that stands up for better health care and social security and workers rights and consumer and environmental protection. Or the one that stands up for dog whistles.

This is why I believe you're a poser. Because me, I don't amputate my foot because I have a blister.
 
acbytesla said:
Now youre just trolling. Gillum wasn't referring to the police but it sure as hell sounded like Desantis was talking about Gillum.

But you know what. None of that matters as we are not talking about Desantis we are talking about you and your support of a party that stands up for better health care and social security and workers rights and consumer and environmental protection. Or the one that stands up for dog whistles.

This is why I believe you're a poser. Because me, I don't amputate my foot because I have a blister.
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The only evidence that it is a "dog whistle" is the insistence by some that it is.

Insisting that Gillums use of the loaded term "pigs" is just as un-falsifiable of a claim, that is why I posted it.

It took what? 20posts? To go from an observation that we would be better served not making "RACISM!!" the be-all end-all rallying cry of our party (to the point of requiring any potential supporter to "show their papers" by labeling a potentially racist statement as definitely a racist dog whistle) to :" you are a poser ".

You make my point for me.

Have you forgotten that in order to win a (statewide) election we actually need to get more votes than the opponent?
 
acbytesla said:
This is why I believe you're a poser. Because me, I don't amputate my foot because I have a blister.
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I'm really amused by the notion that talking about how some monkeys are articulate really might be a dog whistle, but it's not "legitimate racism" if it was part of some elaborate trap. :cs:
 
Distracted1 said:
The only evidence that it is a "dog whistle" is the insistence by some that it is.
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Some who say things like:

It is entirely possible, that the "Monkey" statement in conjunction with the "articulate" description was a very nuanced attempt to target...
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It's not a dog whistle if it's a "nuanced attempt" to paint your opponents as hysterical!
 
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