2018 mid-term election

[Distracted1]

Now, that's not true at all. We are doing a hell of a lot of it. Also, no need to get excited.



It's never hard to shut up. The question is, should it be required?



Sure, but as usual in this sort of conversation, we're not talking about that.



It was a joke.

Anyway this is a bit off topic now.

I keep asking myself if it is off topic, and on its face such a discussion seems a derail. But then I think that the thread is about the 2018 elections, and discussions of what issues and emotions might be leveraged by either side to secure an election victory seems totally appropriate and on-topic.

 

[Mumbles]

I'm not sure any of this is true. I can't say definitely that it is false either. Have you gone over the demographics and all the polling? Say in Florida to be specific? Or are you just wildly speculating?

As far as I could see, neither base was all that excited. Trump was plainly a racist idiot, and Hillary was just flat-out ignored except when she was on stage with the idiot (in the debates, where she plainly showed that she was both far more prepared, and more mentally stable).

I'll point out immediately that the Bernie Stans were loud but ultimately not that great in number. They may have been a factor, given how remarkably close a few states were compared to the "Sanders" write-ins and Stein voters. But they were hardly definitive.

 

[Distracted1]

I'm not sure any of this is true. I can't say definitely that it is false either. Have you gone over the demographics and all the polling? Say in Florida to be specific? Or are you just wildly speculating?

I object to the use of the adverb "wildly", but beyond that objection, yes, I am speculating.


If you know of a sure-fire study that tells us exactly what was going through DeSantis' mind when he made the statement at the root of this discussion, I will be happy to read it.

 

[acbytesla]

I object to the use of the adverb "wildly", but beyond that objection, yes, I am speculating.


If you know of a sure-fire study that tells us exactly what was going through DeSantis' mind when he made the statement at the root of this discussion, I will be happy to read it.

No, as I said, I don't know either. I really don't have the info to take an educated guess. I was curious if you did since it seemed that you were positing a knowledgeable claim.

But hey, you could be right. I know that African-American turnout dropped for Hillary. Beyond that I can't say much.

 

[acbytesla]

As far as I could see, neither base was all that excited. Trump was plainly a racist idiot, and Hillary was just flat-out ignored except when she was on stage with the idiot (in the debates, where she plainly showed that she was both far more prepared, and more mentally stable).

I'll point out immediately that the Bernie Stans were loud but ultimately not that great in number. They may have been a factor, given how remarkably close a few states were compared to the "Sanders" write-ins and Stein voters. But they were hardly definitive.

I like Hillary a lot. But I also think she made a lousy candidate. She's about as inspiring as warm milk. Trump would have probably lost if he had faced Biden...I don't know about Bernie. Frankly the most interesting politician on the Democratic side of the house to me is Beto, but it's to early for him. I don't know what it is that makes almost all politicians as boring. Bill and Ronnie weren't. I also think Carter wasn't and then became boring.

Trump isn't boring...But not in a good way.

 

[kellyb]

Or,
I really don't care for Trump and his ilk, but I just can't bring myself to go out and vote for the party that calls me a racist for using the term "monkey"

So:

It is entirely possible, that the "Monkey" statement in conjunction with the "articulate" description was a very nuanced attempt to target those voters.

It was a dog whistle, to expose hypersensitivity to dog whistles, and somehow get votes that way?

 

[kellyb]

As far as I could see, neither base was all that excited. Trump was plainly a racist idiot, and Hillary was just flat-out ignored except when she was on stage with the idiot (in the debates, where she plainly showed that she was both far more prepared, and more mentally stable).

I think Trump's moron base really was fired up. They still are. He's wildly popular still with the people who voted for him.

These people...they are not like the people, even the conservatives, who post here.

 

[acbytesla]

Or,
I really don't care for Trump and his ilk, but I just can't bring myself to go out and vote for the party that calls me a racist for using the term "monkey"

So:

I really DON'T believe Distracted is who he wants us to believe he is.

This is all nonsense. He is suggesting that we all think that his generic use of the term 'monkey' makes him a racist in our mind. I doubt he's that obtuse.

I don't believe for one second that he's so oblivious that he can't see the difference between simply saying the word 'monkey' and saying 'monkey it up' by electing my black opponent.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...tts-murder-case-republicans-trump-immigration


I suspect Republicans will be trying to make Christian Rivers the new Willie Horton.

Bush won with over 400 electoral votes while the Democrats captured all of the pro-Willie Horton vote.

 

[kellyb]

I really DON'T believe Distracted is who he wants us to believe he is.

This is all nonsense. He is suggesting that we all think that his generic use of the term 'monkey' makes him a racist in our mind. I doubt he's that obtuse.

I don't believe for one second that he's so oblivious that he can't see the difference between simply saying the word 'monkey' and saying 'monkey it up' by electing my black opponent.

I just think his hypothesis, that it was intentional dog-whistling, but strictly for the purpose of being able to scream about "liberal over-reaction!"... is still racist dog whistling. I mean, going "Nuh-uh! Y'all are imagining things!" is how racists roll now, when they're not going full metal Trump and seeking the open endorsement of the KKK.

 

[acbytesla]

Bush won with over 400 electoral votes while the Democrats captured all of the pro-Willie Horton vote.

Is that the guy who killed the Tibbetts girl from Iowa? I think that could backfire. Her parents are angry as hell at the Republicans making his daughter a political football.

 

[acbytesla]

I just think his hypothesis, that it was intentional dog-whistling, but strictly for the purpose of being able to scream about "liberal over-reaction!"... is still racist dog whistling. I mean, going "Nuh-uh! Y'all are imagining things!" is how racists roll now, when they're not going full metal Trump and seeking the open endorsement of the KKK.

I see his remarks to be patently disingenuous. Never have I heard someone insult people as much as Trump did and everybody goes crazy when Hillary calls some of his supporters deplorables? This is making an excuse to be offended as is Distracted saying this. And this is EXACTLY the same behavior. He wants a political party to give him permission to act like a racist.

Otherwise, hes going to the side that wants to gut Health Care, Social Security, give tax cuts to the rich, freeze wages as well as eliminate consumer and environmental protection?

Yea, that makes sense.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Trump's "Mexicans - they're rapists!" strategy.

Misquote!

 

[Foolmewunz]

I 100% think he was out of line with that statement, and that he was appealing to the some of the nativists in the GOP. That said, Mexicans are not a race. At worst you can say of that statement that it is bigoted, not racist.

Man, I'd be running for cover under racist if I could get away with it! Bigoted takes things into a whole 'nother league!

And you well know (as soon as you stop pretending not to) that racism has taken on a panoply of connotations. It's very hard to specifically pinpoint separately the chauvinism, the jingoism, the xenophobia, the religious bigotry and the racism. Do you have friends who get confused because they don't understand how the term is now used? Get new friends.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Misquote!

TBD normally handles grammar lessons, being all smart and stuff, but he's busy apparently, so I'll school you for free.

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

See those first yellow parts? Those are the antecedents to the pronoun "they" (in "they're"). He is precisely and literally saying that Mexicans are rapists. (Unless you're claiming that MEXICO is sending some other people, say, White Norwegians, and those people, not the Mexicans, are the bad 'uns. I guess this means some Norwegians are good people. Hawk_One will be so pleased to know.)

 

[Sherkeu]

TBD normally handles grammar lessons, being all smart and stuff, but he's busy apparently, so I'll school you for free.




See those first yellow parts? Those are the antecedents to the pronoun "they" (in "they're"). He is precisely and literally saying that Mexicans are rapists. (Unless you're claiming that MEXICO is sending some other people, say, White Norwegians, and those people, not the Mexicans, are the bad 'uns. I guess this means some Norwegians are good people. Hawk_One will be so pleased to know.

i think the quote is bad either way but I don't get the insistence that he said "They're rapists". Clearly he is giving a list of things he thinks Mexico is bringing over.
"they're not sending their best."
So, what problems are they bringing?
...their drugs
...their crime
...their rapists

Why would the meaning switch to "They are" just for the last one?

It's already bad but it doesnt need to be worse!!

 

[Foolmewunz]

i think the quote is bad either way but I don't get the insistence that he said "They're rapists". Clearly he is giving a list of things he thinks Mexico is bringing over.
"they're not sending their best."
So, what problems are they bringing?
...their drugs
...their crime
...their rapists

Why would the meaning switch to "They are" just for the last one?

It's already bad but it doesnt need to be worse!!

Huh? And, No! It starts with "They're not sending you"(repeated)... "they're sending" starts the next sentence and the next and the next. Why would Captain Illiteracy change to "their" in the final statement?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

"Mexico -- They're good people."

 

[Sherkeu]

Huh? And, No! It starts with "They're not sending you"(repeated)... "they're sending" starts the next sentence and the next and the next. Why would Captain Illiteracy change to "their" in the final statement?

Because he isn't listing what they ARE, he is listing what they are bringing. (they're is followed by a verb of bringing or sending something- not a noun like rapists)

They're bringing (their) drugs. They're bringing (their) crime. They're bringing their rapists.

It doesn't make sense the other way. But that's just my common sense interpretation. It doesn't make much difference.

 

[kellyb]

Because he isn't listing what they ARE, he is listing what they are bringing. (they're is followed by a verb of bringing or sending something- not a noun like rapists)

They're bringing (their) drugs. They're bringing (their) crime. They're bringing their rapists.

It doesn't make sense the other way. But that's just my common sense interpretation. It doesn't make much difference.

He never used the possessive word "their" in the sentence. The last one being "their" would have to be a one-off.

No matter how you slice it, he was calling Mexican immigrants rapists here:

"They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're/their rapists."