Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

[The Big Dog]

Maybe you could provide a coherent summary of what you are trying to say for the avid reader who has not read all the articles.

Sure, the assertion that her USPS application showed a covert job while she worked for the CIA is spectacular nonsense because she applied for the CIA and USPS at the same time.

Plus, are we really thinking that people who could not find the USPS statement taking full responsibility managed to find a covert job?

 

[The Big Dog]

Link to a bio from May '18



So that's 2 terror-related jobs just after completing her MBA and getting a conditional offer from the CIA.

I don't see a good argument for these things being unrelated.

eta: when someone is working covert for the CIA, don't they usually have a cover job? I mean, they can't just say they are unemployed. Not that this was a cover job---could just be what she did til they had a spot for her, but it's possible.

Oh yeah, she was covertly working for the post office while she was covertly working for a Muslim school while covertly working for the CIA while covertly waiting tables while applying to the USPS and CIA..

I did tell people to stop digging right?

 

[C_Felix]

Now for today's episode of "When keeping it real goes wrong"

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/08/30/california-man-arrested-charges-threatening-shoot-boston-globe-employees/EejiWXLNscUR8AxDB3y7RL/story.html

California man arrested by SWAT after making several death threat calls to the Boston Globe. He parroted Trump's "fake news" and "enemy of the people" lines.

A bit of humor, he was quoted by the Globe saying: "Alright, why, you going to trace my call? What are you going to do [expletive]? You ain’t going to do [expletive]." Two weeks later he was arrested and charged with a felony.

When I posted this link on Facebook, I prefaced it with, "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

 

[C_Felix]

Say! More fact free claims, why not a few minutes ago you had slammed Trump and Co as "corrupt" even though literally one minute worth of research was all that was necessary to utterly disembowel the claim.

But now you declare that people should not use a security application that they got through FOIA based on REASONS. Say, lookat them goal posts go go go!

But you claim that I am only batting 2/3 (which is infinitely better than the zero y'all are putting up) and again relying on a totally out of date document claim : "showed that this PAC did in fact use some of the information that would have been redacted."

Sure.... "The group also released a portion of the security clearance application, blacking out some personal information."

STRIKE THREE!

Protip: You need to call "Strike one!" and "Strike two!" before calling "STRIKE THREE!"

 

[Minoosh]

Oh yeah, she was covertly working for the post office while she was covertly working for a Muslim school while covertly working for the CIA while covertly waiting tables while applying to the USPS and CIA..

I did tell people to stop digging right?

It's amazing people don't just take your word for things.

If the theory is true - and it makes more sense to me than randomly working as a substitute teacher when you've got an MBA and a "keep in touch" from the CIA - that Republican super-PAC might have blown her cover and that of other people who might be deployed in similar situations.

But it's quite possible the Saudis knew what was going on and were cooperating.

BTW you don't need to speak Arabic to teach English as a second language. Maybe the CIA's "conditional" offer depended on her learning Arabic and getting a couple of years' experience in federal law enforcement.

 

[C_Felix]

According to Trump:

The United States is in a state of national emergency and serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare.

 

[The Big Dog]

It's amazing people don't just take your word for things.

If the theory is true - and it makes more sense to me than randomly working as a substitute teacher when you've got an MBA and a "keep in touch" from the CIA - that Republican super-PAC might have blown her cover and that of other people who might be deployed in similar situations.

But it's quite possible the Saudis knew what was going on and were cooperating.

BTW you don't need to speak Arabic to teach English as a second language. Maybe the CIA's "conditional" offer depended on her learning Arabic and getting a couple of years' experience in federal law enforcement.

Nothing amazing about it, people like to hear what they want to hear, and therefore when someone says that the PAC exposed a covert job, they believe it, despite being on its face utterly ridiculous, indeed, one of the people making the claim linked to a biography that destroyed the claim, but people don’t want to take my word (meaning links to third party sources) for it.

Hell, you just made up everything in that post out of thin air, despite the fact it is ludicrous and you expect people to take your word for the claim that she was working for the CIA with the possible knowledge of the Saudis before she applied to the CIA and USPS.

Do not take my word for it, just read the ludicrous claims being asserted.

Yet another dream thread!

 

[LSSBB]

Link to a bio from May '18



So that's 2 terror-related jobs just after completing her MBA and getting a conditional offer from the CIA.

I don't see a good argument for these things being unrelated.

eta: when someone is working covert for the CIA, don't they usually have a cover job? I mean, they can't just say they are unemployed. Not that this was a cover job---could just be what she did til they had a spot for her, but it's possible.

Yeah, like Valerie Plame.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yeah, like Valerie Plame.

Except if Valerie Palme was exposed for her “covert job” waiting tables

Hee hee!

Now if people would have taken my “word” for it (also known as reading the link I posted) this thread would have gone like this:

A conservative PAC exposed a democrat.
No, the postal service screwed up.
Oh, thanks for the link

Here is how it went, and is still going

A conservative pac exposed a Democrat and trump is the corrupt!
No, the postal service screwed up.
It was a covert inside jobby job that the saudis were in on!

 

[Babbylonian]

There is no crime so great for which the liberal will be vilified while the conservative will be lauded.

 

[Minoosh]

Nothing amazing about it, people like to hear what they want to hear, and therefore when someone says that the PAC exposed a covert job, they believe it, despite being on its face utterly ridiculous, indeed, one of the people making the claim linked to a biography that destroyed the claim, but people don’t want to take my word (meaning links to third party sources) for it.

Explain to me how you think the claim was "destroyed." She had been in touch with the CIA for 4 years before she was officially hired (according to her, of course).

She was accepted in the CIA four years after a 2002 job offer. In that time, she worked as a waitress at a restaurant in Arlington County, was a substitute teacher at a private school and worked for 2½ years in Washington as a federal postal inspector.

My speculation is that she was doing contract work as an undercover operative. Or maybe they told her to learn Arabic.The CIA wanted to see how she did and did not want to hire her straight out of college.

Hell, you just made up everything in that post out of thin air, despite the fact it is ludicrous and you expect people to take your word for the claim that she was working for the CIA with the possible knowledge of the Saudis before she applied to the CIA and USPS.

I'm absolutely not expecting people to take me at my word. I am speculating, as is clear from context. She had already applied to the CIA and received a conditional offer. I doubt if she's lying about the CIA's interest in 2002 because it would be stupid to lie about it and I don't think she's stupid.

Do not take my word for it, just read the ludicrous claims being asserted.

And this ... is an argument from incredulity.

 

[SezMe]

Family? That's a dog whistle if ever I've heard one, a frequent term used by the far left.

No, it's not. In fact, one of the largest and most politically powerful far-right organization is the Family Research Council.

One of Dump's prominent characteristics - as has been noted here and elsewhere - is projection. Have you fallen into the same pit?

 

[The Big Dog]

Explain to me how you think the claim was "destroyed." She had been in touch with the CIA for 4 years before she was officially hired (according to her, of course).



My speculation is that she was doing contract work as an undercover operative. The CIA wanted to see how she did and did not want to hire her straight out of college.

I'm absolutely not expecting people to take me at my word. I am speculating, as is clear from context. I'm talking about why the theory makes sense to me. I doubt if she's lying about the CIA's interest in 2002 because it would be stupid to lie about it and I don't think she's stupid.

And this ... is an argument from incredulity.

Oh man! You just spent all that time admitting you were speculating, and you ended up your post accusing ME of an argument from incredulity!

Bwhahahahah! Oh man, seriously, you guys are ******* slaying me tonight.

The made up claim was that the teaching position was a covert job while working for the CIA and therefore the PAC is still to blame despite the fact they did nothing wrong and the USPS ****** up (it wasn’t, the argument was idiotic)

I don’t even want to try to guess what point you are trying to make with your latest made up speculation because it is totally wrong every single way possible. (She was working as an undercover operative for the CIA because the CIA didn’t want to hire her.... hee hee!)

 

[SezMe]

Ted Turner, the founder of Fake News CNN -- also, Hanoi Jane's third husband.

ISF does not stand for Intentional Stupid Fiction.

 

[Minoosh]

Plus, are we really thinking that people who could not find the USPS statement taking full responsibility managed to find a covert job?

I'm having difficulty understanding this sentence. The post office says it shouldn't have released the information. So what? No one forced the GOP super-PAC to spread the news hither and yon.

 

[Minoosh]

ISF does not stand for Intentional Stupid Fiction.

I like it, though

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm having difficulty understanding this sentence. The post office says it shouldn't have released the information. So what? No one forced the GOP super-PAC to spread the news hither and yon.

No.

The post office said they should not have released an unredacted copy.

The PAC took it upon itself to redact personal information.

In desperation, someone literally made up out of whole cloth the idiotic argument that she was undercover for the CIA while working in a school despite the fact that she applied for the USPS and the CIA at about the same time.

 

[Minoosh]

Oh man! You just spent all that time admitting you were speculating, and you ended up your post accusing ME of an argument from incredulity!

You haven't explained yet why the link posted destroys the theory.

The made up claim was that the teaching position was a covert job while working for the CIA and therefore the PAC is still to blame despite the fact they did nothing wrong and the USPS ****** up (it wasn’t, the argument was idiotic)

I don't think the PAC is to "blame," because I don't think that way. The post office had a role. The PAC has a role, to smear any Democratic candidate with anything they can.

I don’t even want to try to guess what point you are trying to make with your latest made up speculation because it is totally wrong every single way possible. (She was working as an undercover operative for the CIA because the CIA didn’t want to hire her.

What's so strange about that? I've been hired by organizations that first used me as an independent contractor. It's a way to get your foot in the door.

What is your evidence that she applied to the USPS and the CIA at the same time? Maybe you're right, but if you could quote posts/links instead of just ridiculing what people say your arguments might be more effective.

 

[Minoosh]

The PAC took it upon itself to redact personal information.

What was the point to what they did release? That she substitute-taught at a Saudi school? That's what they're using to smear a career public servant?

In desperation, someone literally made up out of whole cloth the idiotic argument that she was undercover for the CIA while working in a school despite the fact that she applied for the USPS and the CIA at about the same time.

I think you mean "figuratively," not literally.

Can you show me the evidence that she applied to the Post Office and the CIA at the same time? It's possible, but I'm not sure where you are going with that. In college I took a federal civil-service exam to see where I might fit in. Only the IRS was interviewing, but if other agencies had shown an interest I would have applied there as well.

 

[The Big Dog]

You haven't explained yet why the link posted destroys the theory.

I don't think the PAC is to "blame," because I don't think that way. The post office had a role. The PAC has a role, to smear any Democratic candidate with anything they can.

What's so strange about that? I've been hired by organizations that first used me as an independent contractor. It's a way to get your foot in the door.

What is your evidence that she applied to the USPS and the CIA at the same time? Maybe you're right, but if you could quote posts/links instead of just ridiculing what people say your arguments might be more effective.

Hi! I did post links, there are links in this thread, you have seen them, yet you are polluting this thread with what you admit is uninformaed speculation.

I ain’t gonna kid you, this has been a total bloodbath for anyone who is trying to make hay against the pac out of the USPS’s **** up.

Dream thread