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2018 mid-term election

SuburbanTurkey said:
Nature of a two party system. Large swaths of republicans won't vote for Democrats, no matter what. If the lunatic fringe can ram their candidate through the primary, they can count on reliable Republicans voters to pull the lever. If they aren't racist, they at least don't see racism as a dealbreaker.
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I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
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And if somebody votes for Keith Ellison, they deserve to be labeled as a domestic abuser.
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
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I don't think it makes much difference as to motives if you support racism.
 
Brainster said:
It will probably help his fundraising, but it's not a position that is going to get moderate Republicans to flock to his banner.
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I agree, but I don't see it turning the moderate republicans off either.
 
Until I am proven wrong, I will consiser the GOP to be a parry that does not give a damn about anybody but Trump's White European "Base".
And I maintain that governeing like that..which is exactly what Trump is doing, will lead to disaster to this country.
It's sad that racism and bigotry are now acceptable in the GOP..as long as use a few code words, And I would not be surprised if the code words are gone before long.
Its all about White DOmination of this country...a turning back to the days when White Male had a monopoly on power and influence. At least that is the only conclusion I can drawe from what is going on,once you cut through all the crap code words and dog whistles.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, he gave the opposition something they could certainly use, at a time when it will be used more widely and more often than ever, so he's only got himself to blame for what is surely an election losing statement.
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The problem of course is how the hell do you use it? Not that simple. If I was Gillum, I wouldn't use it personally at all. However, I'd try and find a way maybe to have surrogates use it and then only in certain areas.
 
dudalb said:
No bigotry in the Trump Administration, no siree:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a1991f075d5_story.html?utm_term=.1f408514bfc6
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Better that a hundred innocent people be locked up than one illegal allowed to be free.

CBP, ICE, Homeland Security.... these are not going to just be the legacy of Trump. They existed pre-Trump and were of this mindset all along but have been unleashed by Trumpism. I've seen this attitude for years from US Customs - they are not there to facilitate imports which provide jobs and boosts for the local economy. They are there to PROTECT 'Murrica! The job attracts a large segment with a nationalistic-xenophobic mindset. And that's Customs Officers. The other arms are pure enforcement and attract a whole lot more, I reckon.
 
As we've seen from this thread, the "monkey" comment was an effective dog-whistle as it gave the Trumpists a thin veneer of (im-)plausible doubt.

Shame on you.
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
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Exactly. As I said, it's not that difficult to distinguish between "I get a bit nervous when I see a black/Latino guy walking towards me but I get over it", and "Send the wetbacks back to Mexico."

Dolt 45 is, obviously, the latter, which is why I point out that he's actually a white supremacist - it's not some little gut feeling, it's outright insistence on that government should penalize people due to their skin color or ancestry. Support for the current idiot president is, necessarily, support for the latter (along with polluted water and air, handing money from the lower and middle classes to the very wealthy, and so forth).

Had this guy quickly apologized, and not appeared at an event with Steve Bannon and Milo whoever, and wasn't helping run a hateful facebook group, then maybe he'd get the benefit of the doubt. As things stand now, no.
 
Mumbles said:
Exactly. As I said, it's not that difficult to distinguish between "I get a bit nervous when I see a black/Latino guy walking towards me but I get over it", and "Send the wetbacks back to Mexico."

Dolt 45 is, obviously, the latter, which is why I point out that he's actually a white supremacist
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Anyway, he has a history of racial discrimination so...
 
I'm going to hazard a guess that whoever handed over those details did something really rather illegal.
And if the GOP know who it was, then I would assume that they would be breaking the law by hiding that information?

ETA: Make that the pro-GOP PAC...rather than GOP.
 
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