2018 mid-term election

[Belz...]

And not even then. Civics are notoirous in the US as a boring class which students regard as a "pass and forget" course.
Often with considerable justidication, The civics class I took in High School was incredibly boring,and I have always been interested in politics.

Well, the topic is not intrinsically boring, so at least one could imagine making it engaging.

 

[LTC8K6]

If a Trump Minime had called GIllum a N Word, you would still defend it.

If I had some bologna, I'd have bologna and whipped cream. If I had any whipped cream.

Now the word monkey is going into the racist bin I guess.

Stupid DeSantis...we'll never hear the end of this now.

No wonder I stay out of politics.

 

[acbytesla]

I keep hearing that, but I guess my experiences as a white Canadian don't quite match up, so I'd ask: what "superior position" is that? I get the idea of bias and systemic advantages, but it's not something you usually notice. My life success is wholly based on the efforts of my father, not my skin colour, but then, there was essentially zero black people where I grew up, so that's a terrible example.

Anyway, wondering how that "fear losing their privilege" works in the wild, as giving rights to others doesn't negate yours, so I've always been slightly confused by this one.

I dont follow you. Race is a social cultural component and everyone has their own. Whether you were born and raised in the wilderness or in the big city.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Now the word monkey is going into the racist bin I guess.

This particular slur is over 100 years old.

 

[dudalb]

If De Santis was not saying that delibertly, then he's an idiot. If he had used the words "Mess up" there would be no controversy.
I am sure that De Santis will win, and I am sure he will be disaster for the state of Florida.

 

[Belz...]

I dont follow you. Race is a social cultural component and everyone has their own. Whether you were born and raised in the wilderness or in the big city.

I'm simply trying to understand how this 'loss of social status' thing works, since I've never lived anywhere where this dynamic existed.

 

[acbytesla]

If I had some bologna, I'd have bologna and whipped cream. If I had any whipped cream.

Now the word monkey is going into the racist bin I guess.

Stupid DeSantis...we'll never hear the end of this now.

No wonder I stay out of politics.

It's been in the racist bin for a very long time. Most recently Roseanne Barr.

 

[dudalb]

I also am really thinking that number of people have decided that Racism is a "Necessary Evil"; that in order to get things they want (Tax cuts, Superme court Justices,etc) they are willing to tolerate bigotry.
IMHO this is truly a disasterous and short sighted attitude. It is scary like the German COnservatives who in 1933 decided that Hitler was a "Necessary Evil" to get the bright shiny things they wanted.
And they alos thought they could "Control" Hitler and Nazis. We all know how that turned out.
GOdwin be damned it needed to be said. Using bigotry as some kind of political weapon is alwlays evil, whether it used "sincerely" or as a cynical political weapon.

 

[Strawberry]

I'm simply trying to understand how this 'loss of social status' thing works, since I've never lived anywhere where this dynamic existed.

Me either. America's racial politics are weird.

However, even I know De Santis is being racist that's how obvious it is.

 

[Belz...]

GOdwin be damned it needed to be said.

I think we live in times where bringing up Hitler in these conversations might be pretty damned on point.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I also am really thinking that number of people have decided that Racism is a "Necessary Evil"; that in order to get things they want (Tax cuts, Superme court Justices,etc) they are willing to tolerate bigotry.
IMHO this is truly a disasterous and short sighted attitude. It is scary like the German COnservatives who in 1933 decided that Hitler was a "Necessary Evil" to get the bright shiny things they wanted.
And they alos thought they could "Control" Hitler and Nazis. We all know how that turned out.
GOdwin be damned it needed to be said. Using bigotry as some kind of political weapon is alwlays evil, whether it used "sincerely" or as a cynical political weapon.

Nature of a two party system. Large swaths of republicans won't vote for Democrats, no matter what. If the lunatic fringe can ram their candidate through the primary, they can count on reliable Republicans voters to pull the lever. If they aren't racist, they at least don't see racism as a dealbreaker.

 

[dudalb]

Me either. America's racial politics are weird.

However, even I know De Santis is being racist that's how obvious it is.

EIther racist or a idiot, take your pick....I suspect the former rather then the latter.

 

[LTC8K6]

If DeSantis had said "Don't throw a monkey wrench into the election by going socialist..." it would still have been a "racist dog whistle".

If candidates can't see how things are perceived, or used, they are destined for this sort of outcome.

He's probably lost the race right here, because this will be quoted from now until election night.

He'll just have to try to overcome it, but I think it's a tough road once the label gets applied.

 

[Belz...]

Nature of a two party system. Large swaths of republicans won't vote for Democrats, no matter what. If the lunatic fringe can ram their candidate through the primary, they can count on reliable Republicans voters to pull the lever. If they aren't racist, they at least don't see racism as a dealbreaker.

As someone in Canada that's quite alien to me. Every election cycle I check the platforms of each major party to decide which way I go. I have zero party loyalty.

 

[Belz...]

He's probably lost the race right here

I see what you did there.

 

[acbytesla]

If DeSantis had said "Don't throw a monkey wrench into the election by going socialist..." it would still have been a "racist dog whistle".

If candidates can't see how things are perceived, or used, they are destined for this sort of outcome.

He's probably lost the race right here, because this will be quoted from now until election night.

He'll just have to try to overcome it, but I think it's a tough road once the label gets applied.

If he had said monkey wrench it wouldn't be obvious and certainly wouldn't have been the dog whistle it was. America has had a long dark history of the racist simian comparison.

I find it hard to believe he's that racially oblivious.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

If DeSantis had said "Don't throw a monkey wrench into the election by going socialist..." it would still have been a "racist dog whistle".

If candidates can't see how things are perceived, or used, they are destined for this sort of outcome.

He's probably lost the race right here, because this will be quoted from now until election night.

He'll just have to try to overcome it, but I think it's a tough road once the label gets applied.

Yeah, that strategy worked so well against Donald Trump. Definitely worth another try:

"You could put half of DeSantis' supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. Some of those folks are irredeemable.”​

 

[LTC8K6]

If he had said monkey wrench it wouldn't be obvious and certainly wouldn't have been the dog whistle it was. America has had a long dark history of the racist simian comparison.

I find it hard to believe he's that racially oblivious.

Well, he gave the opposition something they could certainly use, at a time when it will be used more widely and more often than ever, so he's only got himself to blame for what is surely an election losing statement.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah, that strategy worked so well against Donald Trump. Definitely worth another try:

"You could put half of DeSantis' supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. Some of those folks are irredeemable.”​

I think things are different since Trump though. People aren't going to sit back and expect a loss, like they did with Trump, and be shocked on election day.

 

[dudalb]

As someone in Canada that's quite alien to me. Every election cycle I check the platforms of each major party to decide which way I go. I have zero party loyalty.

Oh, I am sure Canada has it share of Mickey Mouse Voters....voters who will always vote for their party's candidates no matter what.