Where is the Common Ground?

Fudbucker said:
The Democrats come by their positions because of issues of morality, particularly fairness.
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“Morality”? (warped and shallow as it may be) yes. Fairness? Not really. They are bankrolled by the same corporate kleptocrats that bankroll the republicans.

The Republicans are like the Inner Party in 1984: power solely for power's sake. And power is defined by the ability to hurt someone. In the Republican's case, brown people and the poor are who they like to hurt.
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That’s my point. It’s also my point that they are winning.
 
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Tony said:
“Morality”? (warped and shallow as it may be) yes. Fairness? Not really. They are bankrolled by the same corporate kleptocrats that bankroll the republicans.
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By fairness, I mostly mean civil rights, women's rights, and healthcare coverage. The Democrats have staked out morally principled positions. They are corporate lackeys in other respects, but in those areas I listed, they are doing good work.



That’s my point. It’s also my point that they are winning.
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I'd rather be Winston than O'brian. In other words, I'd rather lose fighting the good fight, then become like the GOP.
 
Where can the common ground be with anyone who thinks there are good people supporting this?


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Fudbucker said:
By fairness, I mostly mean civil rights, women's rights, and healthcare coverage. The Democrats have staked out morally principled positions. They are corporate lackeys in other respects, but in those areas I listed, they are doing good work.





I'd rather be Winston than O'brian. In other words, I'd rather lose fighting the good fight, then become like the GOP.
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Not in every state. In at least one state I am very familiar with, the Democrats are driven by perpetuating their machine.
 
LSSBB said:
Not in every state. In at least one state I am very familiar with, the Democrats are driven by perpetuating their machine.
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I'm talking more about the national level. I will put up with a lot if it means gays don't lose their right to marry, women don't have to get back-alley abortions, SCOTUS upholds union rights, etc.
 
LSSBB said:
Would you put up with a lying, misogynistic, extremely narcissitic president to get those things?
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I don't think I'd vote for someone like that, because I wouldn't trust them to really intend to try their best to implement the policies they claim to want to implement.
 
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LSSBB said:
Would you put up with a lying, misogynistic, extremely narcissitic president to get those things?
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No. I would force the person to resign and let the VP take over. Why the GOP has failed to do this, when they have a perfectly capable VP, is a total mystery to me.
 
LSSBB said:
Would you put up with a lying, misogynistic, extremely narcissitic president to get those things?
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More thoughts on this question:

The misogyny would be gross, but nowhere near worth consideration regarding grounds for impeachment, assuming in this scenario I'm a member of congress.

The lying and narcissism would only come into play regarding impeachment if it was so severe it qualified as "pathological" - aka "◊◊◊◊◊◊* insane pathological lying and "personality disordered" narcissism".

I think Bill Clinton was a pretty vile individual overall - lying, misogynistic, and extremely narcissitic.
But he was not ◊◊◊◊◊◊* insane.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Cowardice. They are afraid of Cult 45.
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Part that, part the fact that they're getting their policies pushed through now because of him, with regards to tax cuts designed to make "entitlement reform" an "emergency" in the near future (according to their voodoo/scam economic religion where a ballooning deficit means "impending inflation") and making the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. Also, the "freedom" of industry to pollute, etc.

But yes, they also fear Trump's voter-base cult's wrath, too, when it comes to their own job security.
 
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Fudbucker said:
I'm talking more about the national level. I will put up with a lot if it means gays don't lose their right to marry, women don't have to get back-alley abortions, SCOTUS upholds union rights, etc.
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Have you not been paying attention?

The Supreme court has recently declared that Christians can discriminate against gays, anti-abortion people can lie to vulnerable women seeking information, anti-abortion clinics do not have to provide information regarding abortion, and another hit against unions when they falsely/erroneously claimed that union dues were being used to support political parties and thus made it that non-union people were freed from having to pay dues at all, further weakening unions.

That's just the top of my head and only recently too.
 
Ziggurat said:
Isn't that always the case, that your side has pure motives and your opponents sordid ones. Which is really the perfect excuse to not find common ground, because what common ground can be found with villains.

This thread is a perfect encapsulation of the hypocrisy and irony of the "skeptic" approach to politics.
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What is your opinion on Trump meeting with a prominent QAnon proponent?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...h-promoter-of-qanon-conspiracy-theory-in-oval

The Daily Beast first reported on Friday that YouTube conspiracy theorist Lionel Lebron was at the White House for an event and that during his visit he posed for photos with Trump in the Oval Office.

"There simply are no words to explicate this profound honor," Lebron wrote on Instagram while sharing a photo of him and Trump.
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That is not exactly helping rational people make bridges to the Trump support
 
My understanding is that it was genuine.

Helpful as it isn't exactly a dogwhistle, but does use images that the right like to think of as deniable - (Pepe the frog) for example.
 
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