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Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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In Cain's hoisting of Zig by his own petard in post #43, we see revealed the same 'reasoning' other R's brought/bring the bear on D's where 'morality' was/is concerned but had miraculously been reversed when the shoe fell to the other foot. Looking at Lindsey Graham's utterings when voting to impeach Bill, or reading Pence's scribblings back then about same, the nakedly partisan and hypocritical about face now that their guy's in the hot seat is sickening because Trump's in a whole different league of *illegal* scummy sliminess.
 
The Big Dog said:
the crux of the issue is the following language:

The Act defines “contribution” to include “any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office."

The FEC defined "the purpose" to mean the sole purpose, here there clearly was a personal interest (like in the Edwards case) and therefore the law should not and was not violated.
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The crux of the matter is Cohen is guilty of commiting a crime. There is no doubt about this since he agrees that he is guilty.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
You think Cohen is lying in his plea-bargain because prosecutors have asked him to? What evidence do you have of this?
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Have we moved on from "He pleaded guilty to something that was not a crime" then?

Or was I being too generous to the argument?
 
Darat said:
The crux of the matter is Cohen is guilty of commiting a crime. There is no doubt about this since he agrees that he is guilty.
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Do we need to review all the innocence project cases where they exonerated people who agreed they were guilty?
 
Darat said:
The crux of the matter is Cohen is guilty of commiting a crime. There is no doubt about this since he agrees that he is guilty.
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I don't want to be pedantic, but a few minutes reflection on this post should show that is not accurate.
 
Cain said:
It's kind of neat how Trump faces bogus charges in this regard, but you were more open-minded when it came to Edwards' being in legal jeopardy:



Maybe Trump's proven himself a strong leader. Maybe we've learned more about the law from politician payoffs. Learning. We needed to be wary of thin-skinned narcissists, but we can learn how to make peace with them. Character still matters.

Bonus arguments against Trump Edwards:
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I'm sure that had Obama cheated on his wife and lied about paying off a porn star and his long time personal lawyer was headed to jail after implicating obama,

Zigg would be just as vociferous in his defense.
 
The Big Dog said:
I don't want to be pedantic, but a few minutes reflection on this post should show that is not accurate.
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There is no reasonable doubt that Cohen was guilty of various crimes and that he agreed to plead guilty of these specific crimes.

There is little doubt that he is no longer friends with Trump.

Remember that you initially said that the Stormy Daniels information wouldn't even lead to him being disbarred.
 
jimbob said:
There is no reasonable doubt that Cohen was guilty of various crimes and that he agreed to plead guilty of these specific crimes.
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Yes, there was no reasonable doubt that he (and likely his wife) committed certain crimes and that he agreed to plead guilty to these crimes and others.
 
The Big Dog said:
Yes, there was no reasonable doubt that he (and likely his wife) committed certain crimes and that he agreed to plead guilty to these crimes and others.
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There is also no reasonable doubt that many of the crimes he committed were at Trump's direction.
 
Ziggurat said:
In the following post, which I didn't see while I was composing mine.



Perhaps, but your justification for believing in the likelyhood of such evidence, namely that the judge hasn't thrown out Cohen's guilty plea on that count, doesn't make sense to me. Judges aren't usually in the practice of taking on the role of defense counsel. If the defense pleads guilty, the judge is only going to reject that plea under extraordinary circumstances. The payment to Stormy is a lesser charge here. If the other charges are well supported and if the prosecution is recommending light sentencing (very likely since a plea deal was reached quickly) then I doubt the judge is going to consider it a miscarriage of justice that warrants tossing the plea. It's not like Cohen got stuck with a public defender who forced a bad plea on Cohen out of negligence or incompetence.
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And there you go speaking as if you have legal expertise again. Yet you do not. Or do you have citations about what a judge will and will not accept for a plea agreement in a court of law?
 
Apparently Trump thinks that "flipping" or turning states witness in return for significantly more lenient sentences is something terrible and shouldn't be allowed (at least when it negatively effects him because he's been so harmed by those damn flippers).
 
Darat said:
Thanks for the link to the plea agreement, I've now read it and it is clear that it does not support your claim.
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Don't mention it, just like you won't mention how you concluded that it doesn't support the claim.
 
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