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Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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Lambchops said:
Bill Clinton is still president of the USA?

Wow, what year is this? That's one hella-long term in office! He must have done something right! Good on ya, Bill!
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If only people knew what Chester A. Arthur was up to, that would really bunch your undies.
 
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acbytesla said:
I really want to know how Giuliani got this far as a lawyer.

He said that Kushner, Manafort and Jr. took a meeting took the meeting to get dirt on Hilary and didn't know the person they were meeting was Russian. They only knew her name. Her name you ask?

Natalia Veselnitskya.

Yeah right Rudy.

I swear these guys are like the fella Lucy Lui shot in the movie Chicago. The guy after being discovered in bed with two women says 'I'm alone.' Lucy replies 'ALONE?! You're in bed with two women!' He answers back "C'mon doll, you gonna believe your eyes or what I tell you? "
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And come on Jr. email already showed they knew it was the russians.
 
Back when all of this started, I saw a political cartoon that summed up what Trump and his supporters seem to think will happen.

Trump: "Good morning."
Mueller: "No it isn't!! Ha!! You're lying!!"
 
The Big Dog said:
Holy crap, wait until you hear of the blue dress, Monica Lewinski, the cigar and the Oval Office.
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Other than pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of Republicans no one cares about who had sex with who. The issue here is the illegal payments that were made to cover it up.
 
pgwenthold said:
But to address TBD's question, I have to ask, why wouldn't you use Cohen as a lawyer?

As far as I can see, Cohen performed admirably as a lawyer.

Remember, the job of a lawyer is to work on behalf of the client. Michael Cohen was willing to violate election laws in accordance with his client's wishes, and tried to do it in a way that made it look as benign as possible.

For some reason, when Trumpets are talking about their problems with Cohen, they are not referring to "He did not refuse to do illegal things on behalf of his client."

Yeah, Cohen has turned around and stabbed in the back, but then again, what else can he do? Another responsibility he has as a lawyer is to work for the truth, and so that's what he's doing.

Trump told him to violate the law, and so that's what he did. And now, when asked about it, he's telling the prosecutor that is what he did.

The problem is not the lawyer. He seems to be doing what he can to serve his client. The problem is with the client.
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Actually, as I and numerous others have explained repeatedly, Cohen could have structured the deal to fully comply with all campaign financing laws, hell all laws period. That Cohen arguably failed to do so is on Cohen, not his client. That Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation to save years off his and his wife's very real tax violations doesn't change that one tiny bit.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually, as I and numerous others have explained repeatedly, Cohen could have structured the deal to fully comply with all campaign financing laws, hell all laws period. That Cohen arguably failed to do so is on Cohen, not his client. That Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation to save years off his and his wife's very real tax violations doesn't change that one tiny bit.
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He should have changed the oil in the bus, too, since he was down there anyway.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And come on Jr. email already showed they knew it was the russians.
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EXACTLY! And if that isnt enough and it is, her thick Russian accent and her name should have been a tipoff. The lies are so ******* brazen it's staggering. 'No, those two women going down on me aren't real sweetie. Are we out of condoms?'
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually, as I and numerous others have explained repeatedly, Cohen could have structured the deal to fully comply with all campaign financing laws, hell all laws period. That Cohen arguably failed to do so is on Cohen, not his client. That Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation to save years off his and his wife's very real tax violations doesn't change that one tiny bit.
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How could he have structured it to comply?
 
The Big Dog said:
Yeah, Cohen is trying to throw his client under the bus for cohen's **** ups. Good point
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Waaah...poor Donald. He hires the best people.

Sorry, that dog won't hunt. Trump paid Cohen from his trust account. A no no. Cohen isn't responsible for that.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually, as I and numerous others have explained repeatedly, Cohen could have structured the deal to fully comply with all campaign financing laws, hell all laws period. That Cohen arguably failed to do so is on Cohen, not his client. That Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation to save years off his and his wife's very real tax violations doesn't change that one tiny bit.
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the ONE SINGLE THING he needed to do in order to comply was to DECLARE the payments to the Campaign Finance Committee.
Trump didn't want him to do that, didn't want the Committee to know, which made it necessary to use illegal means.
There is absolutely no scenario that doesn't make Trump guilty.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually, as I and numerous others have explained repeatedly, Cohen . That Cohen arguably failed to do so is on Cohen, not his client. That Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation to save years off his and his wife's very real tax violations doesn't change that one tiny bit.
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I am confused. You say he could have structured the deal to fully comply with all campaign financing laws, hell all laws period implying that he didn't do this.

You then say "Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation"

Did what was done fully comply with all campaign funding laws or was there a violation?
 
BobTheCoward said:
How could he have structured it to comply?
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That is not a straightforward question, because under the FEC guidance from the Edwards case, it did comply.

But I would have suggested the payment come from personal assets and probably gotten another opinion from an election lawyer.
 
Lothian said:
I am confused. You say he could have structured the deal to fully comply with all campaign financing laws, hell all laws period implying that he didn't do this.

You then say "Cohen rolled over on a non-existent campaign financing violation"

Did what was done fully comply with all campaign funding laws or was there a violation?
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Yes it did, there was no violation, and Cohen rolled over on it to avoid more serious punishment for him and his wife on the tax claims.
 
The Big Dog said:
That is not a straightforward question, because under the FEC guidance from the Edwards case, it did comply.

But I would have suggested the payment come from personal assets and probably gotten another opinion from an election lawyer.
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Why isn't it still an illegal campaign contribution if it comes from personal assets? The argument is it is a campaign contribution.
 
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