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Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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theprestige said:
Why does your fun insinuate that Medal of Honor recipients are complicit in a political charade?

That seems less like fun and more like careless bigotry.
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Out of curiosity. What would you say if I mocked the parents of a soldier who gave his life in service to the nation?
 
The left cannot follow basic logic. Even if Cohen's allegations against the President turn out to be true, it's only rational to conclude that he must be lying.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't get the catnapping joke.

As for Manafort being lucky, I don't think so. One holdout means a retrial is likely.
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I think they will announce that they intend to retry Manafort on the other charges and just let that hang over his head.

But a lot depends on what his sentence would be. He's 69 years old and is facing a maximum sentence of 80 years. But it is likely to be less than 15 years. Still that means he will be in prison until about 85. And if he is found guilty in the trial, he's looking at another 15 years. Not likely to breathe free air again.

He better have something to trade on or he's toast.
 
The Big Dog said:
so, you are saying that you would endorse Mr. Cohen's services as an attorney then?

/lolz
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No. I wouldn't trust Cohen at all, he's a crook, but (as usual) you completely and utterly missed the point.

Being POTUS is a high honour, the absolute highest in the US IMO. It comes with a few responsibilities, among them is decorum and dignity. Trump has neither. He is a lying, loud-mouthed, arrogant asshat; a badly behaved tantrum-prone child in a man's body. He routinely uses the Office of POTUS for his own personal gain and elevation and to slag off at people he doesn't like.

Trump is an utter disgrace to the office and an embarrassment to the United States of America. Perhaps y'all don't see it living in that cloistered community that is the average American hick-town, but the rest of the world sees Trump as a laughing stock in a clown suit, and he seemingly does everything he possibly can to reinforce that view - his snide remarks about Cohen are just another sad example in a long list of examples.

Frankly, I' be embarrassed if the leader of my country behaved that way.
 
The Big Dog said:
Are you saying you endorse that childish, spiteful comment from the President of your country?

As fixed? Yes I do!

I assume you do too, correct? I mean, you don't think people looking for a lawyer should hire Michael Cohen, do you?

Of course not
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Trump is not a lot of things, but...
He is the Mayor of Amity Island
He is the J. Bruce Ismay of the Titanic and the General Owen of StarShip Troopers.
He is Ripley's Carter Burke and Sarah Connor's Dr Silberman
He is Mr Bean AND Colonel Kurtz
He is Rooster Cogburn without the grit and To Kill a mocking Bird's Mrs. Dubose, but without the courage.
He is an Ass.

Wake up and smell the s#$t
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"On January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, U.S. President Bill Clinton granted Marc Rich a highly controversial presidential pardon. Rich and partner Pincus Green were indicted on 65 criminal counts, including income tax evasion, wire fraud, and racketeering."
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This is true. But Rich wasn't pardoned to keep him from ratting Clinton out. IT WASN'T done to obstruct justice to hinder an investigation into Clinton.
 
The Big Dog said:
No wai! The guy pleading guilty in a plea agreement said exactly what the government wanted him to say?

Here is my shocked face: o
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Odd, that shocked face looks like your ignorant face.

What is pled is agreed upon by both parties or the deal isn't made. That's probably in The Art of the Deal. The defendant negotiates what he'll agree to and what not.

You guys are lapsing into "the truth isn't the truth" territory.
 
Stacko said:
When even MAGAdooks think you're guilty.


ETA: Manafort is a lucky man

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Oh. My. God.

Even this idiot voted to convict on all 18 counts. While I'm still in favor of universal suffrage, the 2016 election has given me pause. Millions of people actually voted for Trump. Tens of millions. Almost as many Hillary. Scary ****.
 
Cain said:
Oh. My. God.

Even this idiot voted to convict on all 18 counts. While I'm still in favor of universal suffrage, the 2016 election has given me pause. Millions of people actually voted for Trump. Tens of millions. Almost as many Hillary. Scary ****.
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People in general are gullible. Not that they are stupid, but they want to believe and they don't apply critical thinking. It's not that they are incapable, it's that they are lazy and afraid of challenging the group think of their associates. And this goes for the majority on both sides of the political spectrum.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
FEC Rules (summary):

So big contributions and big expenses are reportable. It would have come out where the money went. Cohen's LLC was a means of hiding it, so essentially it was a hidden campaign contribution.

Fox News anchor tried to argue with Lanny Davis that a jury could find it wasn't a campaign expense. That lawyer is sharp unlike Giuliani, he politely schooled her [paraphrasing] that Hell might also freeze over.


On another note: That subpoena NY State gave to Cohen was about the shenanigans at the Trump Foundation. I believe upthread I mentioned the money that paid off those two women was not going to come out of Trump's pocket. Well, apparently (per Rachel Maddow) Trump instructed his sons controlling the Trump Foundation to pay Cohen back. The man is a parasite.

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I almost missed this post -- thanks for the run-down. If Trump paid this back via the charity, ugh.
 
The Big Dog said:
No wai! The guy pleading guilty in a plea agreement said exactly what the government wanted him to say?

Here is my shocked face: o
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You can't plead deal by pleading guilty to a crime you didn't commit. That aside I've not seen any mention of a plea deal yet?
 
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