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Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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Foolmewunz said:
Bismarck Tribune - ND Power Plant Welcomes Lower Coal Standards, ND man busted for sex offense, local celebrity says something
Nothing from Washington on page 1.
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Wow, Bismarck Tribune beats the Fargo Forum? I'm kind of surprised because of the population difference between the two.
 
plague311 said:
Wow, Bismarck Tribune beats the Fargo Forum? I'm kind of surprised because of the population difference between the two.
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The Bismarck Tribune states on it's website it is devoted to local news;it probably seldoms covers national or world news.
That is not unusual, a great many newspapers nowdays devote themsleved primarily to local news.leaving national and world news to others.
 
dudalb said:
The Bismarck Tribune states on it's website it is devoted to local news;it probably seldoms covers national or world news.
That is not unusual, a great many newspapers nowdays devote themsleved primarily to local news.leaving national and world news to others.
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In the UK, local newspapers cover local stories, national newspapers cover national and international stories. Regional papers cover both, but tend to have very few national or international stories.

I know other places where local papers cover both.
 
crescent said:
I searched and searched for the post that started that mini-meme a year or two ago, but I couldn't find it.
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Look for applecorpred. I think theprestige has done it a couple of times unironically. Someone else, as well, perhaps, although it's not like I keep track.
 
dudalb said:
The Bismarck Tribune states on it's website it is devoted to local news;it probably seldoms covers national or world news.
That is not unusual, a great many newspapers nowdays devote themsleved primarily to local news.leaving national and world news to others.
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Wouldn't that make it useless for the point attempting to be made? I'm not being snarky, but if it's a local paper that only reports local news, then the information from Washington shouldn't, by definition, show up.

ETA: Here's the Fargo Forum's site. If it makes a difference there are only 2 mentions at all about this whole thing. One that says Cohen doesn't want to be dirtied by a presidential pardon, and the other that Trump is coming back to ND. Nothing about the rest of it.
 
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One important result from yesterday"Mueller is stronger then ever;his political muscle has greatly increased; I am betting you won't be hearing nearly as many attacks on him from House Republicans as we have been.
 
dudalb said:
It's official: Alan Dershowitz has totally lost it.
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I think you've missed the point, which is that complete compliance with federal election laws is essentially impossible. Hillary certainly didn't pull it off.

In regards to Trump's alleged violation by paying off Stormy, that's a pretty weak theory. In fact, federal election law makes it illegal for Trump to use campaign money to do so even if he declared the expenditure. It would fall under "personal use", since it's an expenditure that Trump would have made even if he hadn't been running for office. The legal theory under which Trump cannot pay Stormy with his own money because it's a campaign expense is in direct conflict with the prohibition on campaign spending for personal use. And the prohibition on personal use spending seems the much stronger case.
 
Ziggurat said:
I think you've missed the point, which is that complete compliance with federal election laws is essentially impossible. Hillary certainly didn't pull it off.

In regards to Trump's alleged violation by paying off Stormy, that's a pretty weak theory. In fact, federal election law makes it illegal for Trump to use campaign money to do so even if he declared the expenditure. It would fall under "personal use", since it's an expenditure that Trump would have made even if he hadn't been running for office. The legal theory under which Trump cannot pay Stormy with his own money because it's a campaign expense is in direct conflict with the prohibition on campaign spending for personal use. And the prohibition on personal use spending seems the much stronger case.
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Well that's a ******* lie if I've ever heard one. If he would have paid it either way, why didn't he think of it for 8 years after it happened?
 
Ziggurat said:
I think you've missed the point, which is that complete compliance with federal election laws is essentially impossible. Hillary certainly didn't pull it off.

In regards to Trump's alleged violation by paying off Stormy, that's a pretty weak theory. In fact, federal election law makes it illegal for Trump to use campaign money to do so even if he declared the expenditure. It would fall under "personal use", since it's an expenditure that Trump would have made even if he hadn't been running for office. The legal theory under which Trump cannot pay Stormy with his own money because it's a campaign expense is in direct conflict with the prohibition on campaign spending for personal use. And the prohibition on personal use spending seems the much stronger case.
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You are deliberately missing the point.
Yes, election law violations aren't uncommon, which is why fines are the usual remedy.
But Trump (with the help of Cohen) was covering up the breach of the law, using illegal means (bank fraud) and consistently lied about it and did everything to undermine the credibility of any investigation.
The cover-up is not only worse than the crime, it is also undeniable.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
You are deliberately missing the point.
Yes, election law violations aren't uncommon, which is why fines are the usual remedy.
But Trump (with the help of Cohen) was covering up the breach of the law, using illegal means (bank fraud) and consistently lied about it and did everything to undermine the credibility of any investigation.
The cover-up is not only worse than the crime, it is also undeniable.
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First, if the payment wasn't a crime (and I don't believe it was, despite Cohen's plea deal), then nobody was covering up a breach of the law. Bank fraud is a crime in its own right, but that may be entirely on Cohen. Lying to the public isn't a crime, and you can be sure politicians will never make it one. I have seen no evidence that Trump lied to federal investigators. Have you? If so, please share with the class.
 
plague311 said:
Well that's a ******* lie if I've ever heard one. If he would have paid it either way, why didn't he think of it for 8 years after it happened?
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Because that's when she started making noise. Same reason he didn't pay her when he launched his campaign. He's paid hush money to other mistresses long before he ever ran for office, so there's clearly precedent.
 
Gee, every legal expert I have heard says the payment from campaign funds to Stormy was a crime.
But keep up the denial, it's amusing.
 
Ziggurat said:
First, if the payment wasn't a crime (and I don't believe it was, despite Cohen's plea deal), then nobody was covering up a breach of the law. Bank fraud is a crime in its own right, but that may be entirely on Cohen. Lying to the public isn't a crime, and you can be sure politicians will never make it one. I have seen no evidence that Trump lied to federal investigators. Have you? If so, please share with the class.
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What did he plead guilty to, then? Jaywalking?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
You are deliberately missing the point.
Yes, election law violations aren't uncommon, which is why fines are the usual remedy.
But Trump (with the help of Cohen) was covering up the breach of the law, using illegal means (bank fraud) and consistently lied about it and did everything to undermine the credibility of any investigation.
The cover-up is not only worse than the crime, it is also undeniable.
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And, it could very well have been the difference between winning and losing, so it was vastly more significant than most violations.
 
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