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All things Trump + Russia Part 4

Stacyhs said:
Agreed. Confirmation bias and the inability to admit error is extremely strong in many, if not most, people. Even unimportant errors can be difficult for some to admit. A couple weeks ago, my husband and I were out with his brother and wife for dinner. My brother-in-law said something that we all reacted to with the same confusion. He'd accidentally used an incorrect word when he meant to use another as in saying "washing machine" instead of "dishwasher". When we all confirmed he'd said "washing machine", he insisted he'd said "dishwasher". All three of us heard "washing machine". He continued to deny his mistake and told his wife she needed her hearing tested. When my husband and I backed up his wife, he insisted we were mistaken, too. He never admitted to making a simple mistake the we all do from time to time.
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I think this is a serious problem that a lot of people have. Dale Carnegie talks about the phenomenon in his famous book 'How to win friends and influence people'. I kind of believe that a course should be taught in high school about how it is ok to be wrong. Learning how to listen to being corrected and accepting those corrections gracefully.
Also teaching people not to correct others when they are wrong when it doesn't matter..(My personal flaw that I try to stop myself from doing.)
 
Drewbot said:
You would think that on a forum full of thinkers, it would be understood that confirmation bias occurs as a human trait. Just because you don't like Trump, doesn't mean you aren't also a victim of evolution.
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Of course we understand that everyone has confirmation bias. I've seen no one here say anything to indicate otherwise. It's the level to which that bias affects one's ability to be objective that varies. Some can readily admit to and accept being wrong or making a mistake. Others cannot.
 
acbytesla said:
I think this is a serious problem that a lot of people have. Dale Carnegie talks about the phenomenon in his famous book 'How to win friends and influence people'. I kind of believe that a course should be taught in high school about how it is ok to be wrong. Learning how to listen to being corrected and accepting those corrections gracefully.
Also teaching people not to correct others when they are wrong when it doesn't matter..(My personal flaw that I try to stop myself from doing.)
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As an ex-teacher, I feel your pain. Old habits die hard. My pet peeve is people mispronouncing "mischievous" as "mis-chee-vee-us". I have to clench my teeth not to correct them...and I don't always succeed.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Knowingly or otherwise, Dore promotes a lot of Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories about Syria, so it's not surprising to see him doing the same for the Russian collusion thing. But I wrote him off as an idiot back when he started pushing the "theory" that Building 7 might have been brought down with magical silent explosives, so I guess he's what the Russians call a useful idiot.
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Yup. I thought he was just a sort of comic relief guy on the show, but I found out he made that ridiculous claim about 9/11 and "whatever it is, the government isn't telling the truth" or something along those lines I just put him on ignore after that. It's clear he does no real analysis on anything he pushes.

Hates corporate media but is an RT-loving drone himself.
 
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Stacyhs said:
As an ex-teacher, I feel your pain. Old habits die hard. My pet peeve is people mispronouncing "mischievous" as "mis-chee-vee-us". I have to clench my teeth not to correct them...and I don't always succeed.
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Funny, you pick that word. I deliberately pronounce that word both ways for effect.
 
Stacyhs said:
What effect are you going for?
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Lyrical. Sometimes, one way sounds better in the conversation to me. I like to say I'm being mis-chee-vius to be more playful and mis-chuv-is when it is more serious.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Fox News analyst says that "there is the potential crime for conspiracy" re the Trump Tower meeting
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Damn! There goes Napolitano's contract. Can we assume Sean's on the phone to Pirro to get her gussied up to do guest commentator rounds explaining to the faithful that "collusion is not a crime".

BTW, you guys got tired of "But Benghazi" and "But Uranium One" and "But her emails"? We're going to hear "Collusion is not a crime" from now until November of 2020.
 
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More on where we are:
Voting is supposed to be the great leveler among us. Every American has the right to vote, but you get only one of them. You can’t go out and buy another vote for yourself, like you can buy another shirt or another car. Nope, all you’ve got is one vote. Your vote belongs to you, and under our system of laws, nobody is supposed to be able to take it away from you.

Except that’s not the way it works. Two lawsuits were brought by conservative legal activists close to the Republican Party that have severely cut into the rights of citizens to vote, and what that vote is worth, once it is counted. When they reached the Supreme Court, they were decided on partisan grounds, with all the justices appointed by Republican presidents voting one way, and justices appointed by Democratic presidents voting the other.
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https://www.salon.com/2018/08/08/tr...ssia-investigation-is-really-about-our-votes/
 
There is a quote by a Chechen restaurant owner who was interviewed by Russian journalists in late 1994, around the time Russian troops were gathering around the border, poised to enter Chechnya.

Something like "I am against [President] Dudaev and I am against the opposition, but if the Russians invade I'll fight them".

I wish people who look at this Trump-Russia thing were as ready to pick their battles.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The Treasury Department has been hampering the Senate investigation
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It's an open race between the Western-oligarch and Russia-backed coup d'etat and the November election. White supremacist Confederacy owns all three branches of government, amd has all four branches of the Armed Forces and most state police under its sway, while local police forces suffer from the sample bias toward the citizenry the job brings with it. Only federal-level agencies that do not have the luxury of going wobbly for Trump's alternate reality remain standing.

Big Money wants a fascist state and can almost taste it; hard to think GOP backers won't go for broke in the next few weeks and months in any and every way possibly imaginable: 2016, only "better."
 
In new book, author traces extensive Trump money-laundering for Russian mobsters.
Based on his own reporting and the investigative work of a former federal prosecutor, Unger posits that through Bayrock, Trump was “indirectly providing Putin with a regular flow of intelligence on what the oligarchs were doing with their money in the U.S.”

As the theory goes, Putin wanted to keep tabs on the billionaires — some of them former mobsters — who had made their post-Cold War fortunes on the backs of industries once owned by the state. The oligarchs, as well as other new-moneyed elites, were stashing their money in foreign real estate, including Trump properties, presumably beyond Putin’s reach.

Trump, knowingly or otherwise, may have struck a side deal with the Kremlin, Unger argues: He would secretly rat out his customers to Putin, who would allow them to keep buying Trump properties. Trump got rich. Putin got eyes on where the oligarchs had hidden their wealth. Everybody won.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f1be4408654e

More:
https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
https://www.salon.com/2017/07/14/do...s-a-trail-that-leads-back-more-than-30-years/
 
Bob001 said:
Trump got rich. Putin got eyes on where the oligarchs had hidden their wealth. Everybody won.
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What's wrong with that? Everyone talks about Freedom and Democracy yada yada, but what's more 'democratic' than making money? Why should Trump be punished for following the American Dream? The Russians aren't our enemies, they just to help (some of) us become rich!
 
The truth isn't the truth says Rudy Guilliani.

What he said this morning is what the Trump regime has been trying to convince the public since Trump started campaigning. Do not trust the media, the evidence, your eyes or experience....if you want the truth, Trump will tell you what the truth is.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The truth isn't the truth says Rudy Guilliani.

What he said this morning is what the Trump regime has been trying to convince the public since Trump started campaigning. Do not trust the media, the evidence, your eyes or experience....if you want the truth, Trump will tell you what the truth is.
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Yeah, Trump's been saying that at campaign rallies recently.
 
Those Russkies don't quit:
SAN FRANCISCO — A group affiliated with the Russian government created phony versions of six websites — including some related to public policy and to the U.S. Senate — with the apparent goal of hacking into the computers of people who were tricked into visiting, according to Microsoft, which said Monday night that it discovered and disabled the fake sites.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...e8-97ce-cc9042272f07_story.html?noredirect=on

BOSTON — The Russian military intelligence unit that sought to influence the 2016 election appears to have a new target: conservative American think tanks that have broken with President Trump and are seeking continued sanctions against Moscow, exposing oligarchs or pressing for human rights.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12401727&posted=1#post12401727
 
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