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Intelligent Design

LOL. That would be a big "No, Upchurch, I don't really know what a 'dimension' is". :dig:
You don't acknowledge that our dreams exist in another "dimension?"

How do you know this? (Yes, I've asked this same question about a different subject, but it doesn't absolve you from answering either)
Well, primarily because I get involved with these things almost immediately after I fall asleep, and stay involved until I wake up. Not to mention that I meditate about it both before and afterwards.

Well, that's about enough for today folks. Sorry.
 
And in this time, will there be a great rubbing of parts?

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Wow, is this what your genitals look like? ...
 
You don't acknowledge that our dreams exist in another "dimension?"
Is there any reason to? (for the slow ones in class, that would be a "no".)

Incidently, how do you measure dreams along this dimension you seem to think they have?
Well, primarily because I get involved with these things almost immediately after I fall asleep, and stay involved until I wake up. Not to mention that I meditate about it both before and afterwards.
But don't you believe that sensations cannot be trusted? After all, isn't this why you don't believe there is a material world, because you only know of them through your senses? How then can you trust these dreams when they are just other senses? Why can you trust one set of senses and not another?


(I really need to catalog my argument so I can just cut and paste the appropriate one instead of re-typing it each time someone new makes the same ol' argumentive mistake. Or when someone old makes it over and over again, I suppose.)
 
You don't acknowledge that our dreams exist in another "dimension?"
You can't even get a handle on this dimension. What do you think anyone should trust what you have to say about hypothetical other dimensions?

Well, primarily because I get involved with these things almost immediately after I fall asleep, and stay involved until I wake up. Not to mention that I meditate about it both before and afterwards.
What does it take to get "involved" with your dreams?
How do you stay involved when you are asleep, especially in the long stretches between dreams?
Will anyone who meditates come up with the same evidence?

My genetalia could come up with more credible stories than these.
 
Yes, spirits do exist on the other side of matter, and no, they don't experience time as we know it. Neither do they experience space as we know it. This is because the spiritual world is in a constant state of flux. This does not mean, however, that spirits don't exist without a sense of presense or, being. Just that in our terms (of time and space) it is non-linear.

Where? Behind the rabbit?

How did you come to this conclusion anyway?
 
Yes, spirits do exist on the other side of matter...snip

How exactly can something be on "the other side" of something without referring to Cartesian coordinates which are completely tied into our PHYSICAL reality?
 
Typical Iacchus. The moment we throw doubt on his belief system, he goes home running.
 
Incidently, how do you measure dreams along this dimension you seem to think they have?
But don't you believe that sensations cannot be trusted? After all, isn't this why you don't believe there is a material world, because you only know of them through your senses? How then can you trust these dreams when they are just other senses? Why can you trust one set of senses and not another?

Careful with the wording there. I don't think dreams are sensations (in the one definition - caused by external stimuli). They are, in my opinion - for sakes to avoid professional technical discussion beyond my knowledge :) -, qualia. Although dreams appear in the forms of sensation (visual imagery, smells, tastes, touch, even motion), they are internally created 'sensations'.

Still, I agree with your premise and the direction in which you take it. Dreams should be trusted much less than stimuli encountered during waking consciousness. I was just thinking about this last night as I lay in bed unable to stop thinking and fall asleep. Studies have tied dreaming with R.E.M.. They have also tied dream content to several factors (in general and not rigorously) such as stressful conditions, occupation of thought, last events/thoughts before going to sleep, etc.

And an interesting experience that I had to relay. Now this is totally subjective, but well observed on my part. Some years back, I had fallen asleep on my couch in the living room. I had a nightmare about being chased by 'aliens' or something in that specificity. I woke up from the 'nightmare' to find that a friend had arrived during my slumber, taken my "Aliens" laserdisc, and started watching the movie at good volume while I slept there. When I awoke, the correlation between what I had been dreaming and the sounds from the playing movie (which I had watched previously) were immediately recognized. Why would 'another dimension' be required to explain such a simple process? Although you are asleep (unconscious), your brain does not shut down. It just goes into special cycles which do not 'turn off' sensory awareness such as your auditory, olfactory, and other basic senses. What good is sleeping if a nocturnal predator can sneak up and eat you with no ability for sensory alertness whatsoever?

My question to Iacchus is this: If my dream/nightmare was directly correlated to external sounds in a familar format that conjured familar and relevant imagery, then how did the external stimuli get to that other dimension?
 
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My question to Iacchus is this: If my dream/nightmare was directly correlated to external sounds in a familar format that conjured familar and relevant imagery, then how did the external stimuli get to that other dimension?
So long as you are alive and still attached to your body, your mind which, is merely a portal between both realms, receives input from both sources. Whereas our dreams serve more as a "middle ground" between the spiritual dimension and what we experience in our waking state. So, to the degree that we become conscious and aware in either state, we begin to distance ourselves from this middle ground, and are none the wiser that an alternative reality may exist on either side of it. Now, that isn't to say spirits aren't aware that we exist, just that they become so preoccupied with their own affairs, that they seldom come into direct contact with it. Or, at least this is what I've been able to surmise.
 
So long as you are alive and still attached to your body, your mind which, is merely a portal between both realms, receives input from both sources. Whereas our dreams serve more as a "middle ground" between the spiritual dimension and what we experience in our waking state. So, to the degree that we become conscious and aware in either state, we begin to distance ourselves from this middle ground, and are none the wiser that an alternative reality may exist on either side of it. Now, that isn't to say spirits aren't aware that we exist, just that they become so preoccupied with their own affairs, that they seldom come into direct contact with it. Or, at least this is what I've been able to surmise.

You have evidence for this, I suppose?
 
So "my dreams seem real" is your argument? Right.

The Logical Goddess ISN'T MADE OF ATOMS! TLOP TLOP that! You didn't hear that for this new age of awarness everyone is right about whatever they think?

Aliens are beings from another world, interdimentional beings, as well as demons from Satan; all are right with no evidence needed! It doesn't matter if differing thoughts are exclusive, both are still right in this new age of wonderment.
 
I've spotted the alien

And in this time, will there be a great rubbing of parts?
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Tricky,
I've figured out who Iacchus really is. He's Henry Anthony Wilcox. Who else could base their entire life on a dream? Ok, the answer could also be Poe or Colleridge, but those were both real people.
 

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