Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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Ziggurat said:
I think everyone knows how to find Trump's tweets if they want to. There's not much value added by simply reposting them here.
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Well, I for one very much appreciate Swoop's reportage here, for I don't do the Twitter thing. And these "official communiques" of Trump's are worthwhile to see, for obvious reasons.
 
As Trump is commenting on the subject of the thread and they have been deemed official communication I think it's very appropriate to the thread.
 
Ziggurat said:
You aren't teaching me anything. I know all this. And I don't find your interpretation credible. To construe speech as a "thing of value" in this context is an overbroad interpretation which will run afoul of the first amendment. And name calling doesn't make you any more persuasive.



It was a joke. Just like Obama suggesting his enemies would be audited was a joke. You can argue that it was inappropriate, that even as a joke it pushed boundaries that shouldn't be pushed, and in both cases I would agree. But that doesn't suffice for a criminal complaint.
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Question: do you have evidence for the highlighted portion? Has Trump said anywhere else that he intended that statement as a joke? His track record for statements at rallies would seem to indicate otherwise.
 
Sabrina said:
Question: do you have evidence for the highlighted portion? Has Trump said anywhere else that he intended that statement as a joke? His track record for statements at rallies would seem to indicate otherwise.
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A joke??? Trump doesn't do jokes. Trump doesn't understand jokes. Humor is a concept that Trump has no familiarity with. If Trump did actually tell a joke how would anyone know? No, if it came out of Trumps mouth it was not an intentional joke.
 
Ziggurat said:
To construe speech as a "thing of value" in this context is an overbroad interpretation which will run afoul of the first amendment.
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It wasn't "speech".

It was described as "official documents" which were "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump" in one place, and "'thousands of emails” in another.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I think that accusing Clinton of obstruction of justice is a new one.
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Dammit, I really meant to post that as a prediction after he tweeted "no collusion, no obstruction" yesterday; Hillary's the crook, the puppet, the colluder, the obstructer. What else does Donnie know about "Hillary?" I'm sure he'll tell us.
 
Ziggurat said:
I think everyone knows how to find Trump's tweets if they want to. There's not much value added by simply reposting them here.
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I kind of like the heads up that Trump's having a twitter freakout session.
 
Ziggurat said:
It was a joke.
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The thing about jokes is, they're either funny, or at least intended to be funny.

Can you perhaps explain the humor you see there?

How far can we take this "It was just a joke" escape hatch? If Hillary had publicly called upon her supporters to try to sneak into Trump rallies to assassinate Trump, would that have been legal as long as she later claimed she was "just joking"?
 
kellyb said:
The thing about jokes is, they're either funny, or at least intended to be funny.

Can you perhaps explain the humor you see there?

How far can we take this "It was just a joke" escape hatch? If Hillary had publicly called upon her supporters to try to sneak into Trump rallies to assassinate Trump, would that have been legal as long as she later claimed she was "just joking"?
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"Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House."
-- Madonna (January 21, 2017)
 
Not everyone is on Twitter, and not everyone wants to wade through Trump's tweets, so I see a benefit of a distillation of the pick of the musings of the current POTUS
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House."
-- Madonna (January 21, 2017)
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Admitting to thinking about something is different from a call to action regarding a crime.
 
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Slings and Arrows said:
"Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House."
-- Madonna (January 21, 2017)
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kellyb said:
Admitting to thinking about something is different from a call to action regarding a crime.
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Kelly is correct, however I know I'm not the only person who thought Madonna took it WAY too far during that little speech of hers. For the record, I was there, in the crowd. I wasn't anywhere near the stage, but there were speakers set up to allow everyone to hear the speeches, so I heard her loud and clear, and my friend and I both looked at each other and immediately said, "wow, she just went WAY too far, didn't she?" Most of the people around us seemed to have the same reaction as well, given the looks of utter startlement from most of the people that were within my immediate view at that point.
 
Ziggurat said:
It was a joke. Just like Obama suggesting his enemies would be audited was a joke. You can argue that it was inappropriate, that even as a joke it pushed boundaries that shouldn't be pushed, and in both cases I would agree. But that doesn't suffice for a criminal complaint.
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It was a joke? You got to be kidding? You mean like when he tells supporters to rough up a protester and one of his supporters cold cocked the guy or that they use a second amendment remedy against Hillary leading to a barrage of death threats. How are we to conclude when he's being serious and when he's just joking? Half his supporters don't know. His request that Russians find the emails led to a barrage of computer attacks.

This defense that he may have been just joking is in itself a joke. This is the President of the United States not a stand up act.
 
acbytesla said:
This defense that he may have been just joking is in itself a joke. This is the President of the United States not a stand up act.
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I overall agree with you, but technically, Candidate Trump did kind of run as an insult comic, in part.

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That doesn't make his call to action regarding hacking even possibly "a joke", tho. That was not said for laughs.
 
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