Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

They're called Hydrinos, not Nutrinos.

You are correct. Neutrinos exist.

It's only the PVC version of the SunCell that is on hold now. The MHD and the simple heater versions of the SunCell are progressing.

What is different about those designs which means that the problem listed in the report isn't also a problem for the "MHD and the simple heater versions of the SunCell"?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Being reminded of the "hydrino in a bottle" nonsense, I've started a thread on a chemistry forum to see if anybody there can offer any insight as to what that reaction might really be. Who knows, I might get a hundred replies of people saying "wow, that's entirely unlike anything at all in chemistry and should be physically impossible, allow me to invest money in that company now".

 

[jrhowell]

"If BLP can prove the existence of the hydrino[...]"? I thought that had been proven? Why is Mills now saying that it hasn't been?

I suspect that it is careful wording as a safety net against lawsuits.

"Analytical identification 70% completed for several Hydrino® compounds" (3rd qtr update p71) So analysis is still ongoing.

And "an important new paper to be publish regarding the confirmation of the fundamental Hydrino® reaction." The phrasing (and grammar) are odd. It is not "confirming" it is instead "regarding the confirmation". May not be all positive.

 

[halleyscomet]

Ever wonder why the people who are actually involved with BLP are believers? The validators have seen with their own eyes what is going on, and they are impressed. Armchair skeptics on the other hand are reaching for more potatoes chips and pop and wanting another person to spit on.

As Theranos repeatedly demonstrated, it’s not that hard to fool people if you silo the information properly. In the book “Bad Blood” we seen numerous examples of intelligent, skilled, experts in their fields who had the wool pulled over their eyes until they got some key pieces of information from other divisions.

The nature of the tests BLP has done shows indications of siloing information. Nobody is allowed to do a teardown of a BLP device and examine its components to find out what’s actually going on. They are being told what inputs to expect and to analyze the data based upon that information. We’ve also seen numerous examples of Mills failing to take into account of the role oxidation of metals plays and his devices. For example, the spectrum analysis he’s done does not take into account the metal electrodes used in the experiments.

Your “Smart people believe him,” argument is a nonstarter. The history of Theranos is a case study in why that argument is utter tripe. The Theranos founder got a glowing Forbes cover and a 15 Billion dollar stock valuation by fooling smart people by siloing their information and telling a handful of lies.

 

[Horatius]

Can I just go on record in agreeing with the GE bod. If BLP can prove hydrinos exist it will be rolling in money, they'll be the Smaug of the energy world.

However I predict a flaw in that plan, Mills will then announce he can change base metal into gold so what's the point of moving on with the power generator.....

Another thing I found interesting in that letter is, they apparently believe as markie does, that BLP has some significant patent protection, which is largely what their market share predictions are based on. As has been shown repeatedly, they have no patent protection in most major markets in the world, and what few issued patents they do have are directed to peripheral applications of hydrinos, as well as being so poorly written as to be essentially unenforceable.

 

[abaddon]

As Theranos repeatedly demonstrated, it’s not that hard to fool people if you silo the information properly. In the book “Bad Blood” we seen numerous examples of intelligent, skilled, experts in their fields who had the wool pulled over their eyes until they got some key pieces of information from other divisions.

The nature of the tests BLP has done shows indications of siloing information. Nobody is allowed to do a teardown of a BLP device and examine its components to find out what’s actually going on. They are being told what inputs to expect and to analyze the data based upon that information. We’ve also seen numerous examples of Mills failing to take into account of the role oxidation of metals plays and his devices. For example, the spectrum analysis he’s done does not take into account the metal electrodes used in the experiments.

Your “Smart people believe him,” argument is a nonstarter. The history of Theranos is a case study in why that argument is utter tripe. The Theranos founder got a glowing Forbes cover and a 15 Billion dollar stock valuation by fooling smart people by siloing their information and telling a handful of lies.

Steorn pulled the same stunt.

 

[LTC8K6]

They're called Hydrinos, not Nutrinos. And the SunCell is coming along fine despite setbacks. It's only the PVC version of the SunCell that is on hold now. The MHD and the simple heater versions of the SunCell are progressing.

I think some skeptics here are losing their mental equilibrium. Understandable I suppose.

The simple heater version from long ago that was working fine in 2008?

https://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/index.htm

Or the 1KW cell that only needed a heat exchanger in the early 1990s?

http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_6_8_1.html
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/F/F199201.PDF

 

[LTC8K6]

Or this 100Kw thermal unit in PA from the late 1990's?

https://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/RosenblumIE17.pdf

How close are we? Well, the theory’s all worked
out, the validations are worked out, the
low energy hydrogen’s been identified,
that is a product, and we have power densities
equivalent to many electrical power
plants and running at temperatures comparable
to many electrical power plants.
And we’re getting validated energy balance
of a thousand times the energy of
burning hydrogen. So we know the
process works and now it’s just the time it
takes to retro-fit that into existing technology.
We don’t have to invent anything
new. We’re using vacuum furnaces and
we’re going to use external combustor gas
turbines, so it’s just a matter of retro-fitting
it into existing technology.
So depending on how fast we are at executing
that plan and how fast we are getting
partners to push that agenda forward,
it could happen very quickly. And the
thing is, right now we’re working on a
100kW thermal unit up at Thermacore at
Lancaster [Pennsylvania]. Once we’ve got
that, then you can put that into cars, you
can put that into distributed power generation,
that could meet [the needs of] developing
countries where they don’t have
transmission lines—that could meet an
enormous percentage of the market.
AR: Right.
RM: We’re probably about six months
from having that built.
AR: Six months from having that built?
RM: Right.

 

[Darat]

You are correct. Neutrinos exist.



What is different about those designs which means that the problem listed in the report isn't also a problem for the "MHD and the simple heater versions of the SunCell"?

I've explained this so many times before, if it wasn't for the worldwide shortage of copper tubing he'd have had a working "heater" decades ago. You can hardly blame Mills for not being able to get hold of copper tubing to wrap around the hot bit of his heater. We've had world wide wars over the last few decades as states try to get hold of the world's last few tonnes of copper ore!

 

[Dave Rogers]

I've explained this so many times before, if it wasn't for the worldwide shortage of copper tubing he'd have had a working "heater" decades ago. You can hardly blame Mills for not being able to get hold of copper tubing to wrap around the hot bit of his heater. We've had world wide wars over the last few decades as states try to get hold of the world's last few tonnes of copper ore!

It's worse than that, though. Another of the key components is a cooling and heat exchanging fluid so dangerous, in terms of toxicity and environmental impact, that there have been calls for it to be banned.

Dave

 

[WhatRoughBeast]

I suggest that there is a certain fraction of the population who believe that their opinions are, simply, better than those around them, and some of them have money. Since these folks are successful, they fail to recognize that competence in one field has no guarantee of competence in another. Think of it as a form of Dunning-Kruger, where knowledge of skill in one area is misapplied to mask lack of skill in another.

The memo in Post 1591 (thanks greatly, halleyscomet) has what I consider a statement which seems innocuous but is quite revealing in terms of what if shows about the author.

the absurd resistance by the scientific community to Dr Mills theory

Reading between the lines, the author has no scientific background - he's finance. But he's been convinced, and he knows better than them.

Rejecting "the scientific community" and its opinions is, of course, anyone's right. Creationists are famous for it. The author of the memo is clearly doing the same. Rossi supporters did it. Santilli supporters do it. Markie does it. (The birds and the bees do it. Sorry - couldn't resist.)

But consider the consequences. The memo reports that the investor's mood was "tense", and that they were apparently beginning to suspect that they had thrown their money down a rathole, hence Mills broaching the issue of the secondary liquidity market. I suspect that the "tension" among the investors is directly related to how long each has been an investor. Folks like Markie are new to the game, and have no personal experience with being strung along. Dazzled by the potential market, their greed (either for money or for being in on The New Revolution, When Everything Changed, or both) allows what is known as selective inattention. Of course, there's a Bell Curve for almost everything, and that includes credulity. Hearing the same old excuse time after time gets to be wearing, and I suggest that the investor ages have something to do with it. It's one thing to make a risky long-term investment. It's quite another to realize that you will probably die before (rather than) you get a payout, and letting someone flim-flam you for eternity is a galling prospect.

 

[WhatRoughBeast]

SORRY - EDITING DUP

 

[Darat]

...snip... It's quite another to realize that you will probably die before (rather than) you get a payout, and letting someone flim-flam you for eternity is a galling prospect.

There's also the "sunk cost" fallacy/behaviour. And that applies to emotional investments as well as financial investments. When you've made an investment it can be very hard to walk away from it.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

The memo in Post 1591 (thanks greatly, halleyscomet) has what I consider a statement which seems innocuous but is quite revealing in terms of what if shows about the author.

the absurd resistance by the scientific community to Dr Mills theory

Reading between the lines, the author has no scientific background - he's finance. But he's been convinced, and he knows better than them.

Rejecting "the scientific community" and its opinions is, of course, anyone's right. Creationists are famous for it. The author of the memo is clearly doing the same. Rossi supporters did it. Santilli supporters do it. Markie does it.

They are right, of course, to disregard any "absurd resistance by the scientific community".

They go wrong when they disregard non-absurd resistance by the scientific community. (Which actually exists, making it unlike compelling evidence for hydrinos.)

From the first half of the sentence quoted by WhatRoughBeast:

I got the sense from some of the questions that many shareholders have no real conception of just how enormous Dr. Mills' accomplishments to date have been,

Can't blame them for that. I too am ignorant of his enormous accomplishments to date.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

“Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you...invest in BLP.”

That was way too funny!

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

The simple heater version from long ago that was working fine in 2008?

https://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/index.htm

Or the 1KW cell that only needed a heat exchanger in the early 1990s?

http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_6_8_1.html
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/F/F199201.PDF

That's why engaging with someone in their own science-y vocabulary or cult jargon is so useless. Just show us the machine producing power that's been a month away for 30 years.

In a way this resembles Scientology. There's a machine. It is doing something. From there, L. Ron Hubbard got Thetans and other hysterical science fiction. BLP has its own science fiction.

You can be in the BLP cult without investing in it. That alone is an attraction for cult-susceptible personalities.

 

[abaddon]

markie's deadline of Feb. 2019 is fast approaching. Is he getting "tense" like the shareholders? No idea.

Given the latest from Mills, how likely is it that a working anything will arrive in the next 6 months?

 

[theprestige]

I haven't been following too closely. Has Mills discovered the steam engine yet?

I'm anticipating a patented device that generates power by means of a recharged hydrino gas compound* under pressure.

 

[Darat]

I haven't been following too closely. Has Mills discovered the steam engine yet?

I'm anticipating a patented device that generates power by means of a recharged hydrino gas compound* under pressure.

He's not discovered the kettle yet....

 

[Hans]

Or this 100Kw thermal unit in PA from the late 1990's?

https://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/RosenblumIE17.pdf

Very sad and funny at the same time.