Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

[Stacyhs]

Took place some 5 years before the start of the war. Try again.

Well, historians would disagree with you. Would you say the sinking of the Lusitania had nothing to do with us entering WW1 two years later? What's the magic number?

Boston Massacre: 1770
Revolutionary War": 1775-1783

The sinking of the Lusitania was a factor in America's entry into WW1. But it was not the media's coverage of it that prompted that entry. The media was doing its job which was covering the news. The German's resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare in 1917 was the main factor.

 

[acbytesla]

A historian looks at where we are:

I do think there's certainly a very strong possibility that it's not going to end well -- and that's from the perspective of a German historian. And as a historian, my natural tendency is to always try to stop people from invoking Hitler. In most cases it was not appropriate to make such a comparison. But now, with Trump, my resistance and that of other historians to making that comparison is being overcome.

But there is an important qualifier: History doesn't have to repeat. It doesn't have to look exactly like what happened before. It won't. But if we wait for Trump and this moment to fully become like Hitler and the Nazis, and that is the point at which you start to act, then it is already too late. The unfortunate aspect is that if you set the bar so high in terms of outrage and horror then people all too often let things continue when they could have been stopped earlier. Once it gets to that point it's way too late.

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/06/hi...adolf-hitler-my-resistance-is-being-overcome/

This is well written. I don't think Trump is Hitler. He's a wannabe dictator employing the template laid down by Hitler and what George Orwell described in 1984. The attacks on the press, the alternate reality, the alliances with other dictators. The double speak.

 

[dudalb]

Helped in no small way by Fox. Watched it recently and saw pure government propaganda. Sad.

I suspect a lot of people at Fox Studios and the Fox Network are happy about going to Disney because they will no longer be associated with State TV.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

"Great financial numbers being announced on an almost daily basis. Economy has never been better, jobs at best point in history. Fixing our terrible Trade Deals is a priority-and going very well. Immigration on Merit Based System to take care of the companies coming back to U.S.A."

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

"Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals."

 

[JoeMorgue]

You do know we can just follow Trump on Twitter if we want to know every time he twits something, right?

 

[Andy_Ross]

A lot of posters don't use Twitter. I think it is important that a thread on Trump should know what he is saying on subjects being discussed in the thread.

 

[alfaniner]

One thing that give me hope is the sensibility of the majority of replies to The PDJT's tweets, unlike 99% of those you will get on virtually any article on the Fox News site.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This is where Trump's water nonsense is coming from:

Joe the Plumber 2017: California Dumps A Trillion Gallon Of Fresh Water In Ocean – Declares Water Shortage

The water is being allowed to just run off the mountains, through the river system, through the delta, and out into the ocean. The water is being reserved for the little Delta Smelt, a three inch bait fish, that is not endangered species list.

Alternet has their take on it:

For instance, at a recent rally in Fresno, Trump stated that, despite five years of low rainfall in California, “There is no drought. They turn the water into the ocean. If I win, believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive.”

Now, this is a very confusing statement. What could he mean? Go ahead and choose your answer to this multiple-choice problem. Does Trump mean that:

There never was a drought (perhaps the drought was a myth?)
There was a drought, but it has ended naturally.
There was a drought, but somebody’s fixed it.
There is no drought, because what others call a drought is simply their inability to drain the Sacramento River Delta and use its water for farming.
There is drought, but as president of the United States, Trump will singlehandedly change California water policy. The fact that a huge engineering project, like draining the Sacramento River Delta, is theoretically possible, is the same as there never having been a drought in the first place.
Do you see how many options Trump gives us to believe? Which answer did you choose?

Now imagine some attendees at Trump’s rally. They get to choose their own answers, just like you.

It's an interesting idea.

How does he appeal to moderates without losing his early extremist fans? Multiple-choice communication. This enables him to speak separately to the different listeners without changing his tune. He still speaks to the racists. But he now he’s also speaking to the moderates.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump Tweets

"Great financial numbers being announced on an almost daily basis. Economy has never been better, jobs at best point in history. Fixing our terrible Trade Deals is a priority-and going very well. Immigration on Merit Based System to take care of the companies coming back to U.S.A."

Trump lies again. I wish I could act surprised, but I'm not that good of an actress.

This is a good economy and Trump deserves some credit for it. But calling it the “greatest ever” goes too far, as it can’t top the late 1990s or the stellar growth in parts of the 1940s, 1960s and 1980s, according to key data.

In today’s economy, jobs are plentiful, the stock market is at record levels and confidence — both business and consumer — is high. Inflation has also remained tame. But growth, while showing signs of picking up, is still below what it was in many eras. Wage growth is also disappointing compared with what it was in prior boom times, and the deficit has also surged, which experts warn could be a drag on the economy for yeas to come.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lets-check-the-record/?utm_term=.06d88f576eaa

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You do know we can just follow Trump on Twitter if we want to know every time he twits something, right?

Why does it bother you?

I like seeing the Tweets without having to open yet another web page.

 

[dudalb]

Trump Tweets

"Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals."

Does the moron have ANY grasp of science or geography? Does'nt he get that flowing into the Pacific is what rivers on the West Coast do naturally?
If anything water is "diverted" into agriculture, etc. I am not saying this is bad,but this statement does show Donnie's a total ignoramus.

 

[ponderingturtle]

One thing that give me hope is the sensibility of the majority of replies to The PDJT's tweets, unlike 99% of those you will get on virtually any article on the Fox News site.

Well Twitter does not let him edit who gets kept and who gets deleted unlike fox news

 

[ponderingturtle]

Does the moron have ANY grasp of science or geography? Does'nt he get that flowing into the Pacific is what rivers on the West Coast do naturally?
If anything water is "diverted" into agriculture, etc. I am not saying this is bad,but this statement does show Donnie's a total ignoramus.

He wants all rivers there to be like the colorado that never reaches the ocean. All the water should be taken from them all.

 

[dudalb]

A lot of posters don't use Twitter. I think it is important that a thread on Trump should know what he is saying on subjects being discussed in the thread.

But could.nt you be a bit more selective,or just post a lint to Trump's tweets?
Popping up every three or four posts with one of Trump's tweets is annoying,frankly. You are entering Spam territory.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

The American Taliban are emerging from their caves, heeding Trump's siren call to madness. We must be forgiving when their passions consume them; they never had normal lives, being deprived since childhood of access to decent school books. Woo in, woo out. Sad.

"To be clear: ANTIFA, an all-white fascist organization, just grew violent and attacked an all-black and Hispanic police force.

"Because I, a BLACK woman, was eating breakfast.

"Is this the civil rights era all over again?"

-- Candace Owens (Aug 6, 2018) Watch the video

 

[phiwum]

This is well written. I don't think Trump is Hitler. He's a wannabe dictator employing the template laid down by Hitler and what George Orwell described in 1984. The attacks on the press, the alternate reality, the alliances with other dictators. The double speak.

Surely, Trump isn't learning from history so much as stumbling into the same pattern.

He's really not a learner.

 

[Andy_Ross]

But could.nt you be a bit more selective,or just post a lint to Trump's tweets?
Popping up every three or four posts with one of Trump's tweets is annoying,frankly. You are entering Spam territory.

I am selective.

Posting the words of Trump in a thread about Trump on subjects being discussed in the thread is spam while the endless off topic bickering in the thread isn't?

Well, that's a novel take on things.

 

[phiwum]

You do know we can just follow Trump on Twitter if we want to know every time he twits something, right?

Not all of us use Twitter. I appreciate Swoop.

 

[acbytesla]

You do know we can just follow Trump on Twitter if we want to know every time he twits something, right?

Not all of us use Twitter. I appreciate Swoop.

I'm with phiwum on this. I too appreciate Swoop's posting of the Twit's tweets.