Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Garrison said:
And what about those who voted based on 'same or better trade deal', '£350 million pound a week'? It's not insulting to point out people voted for things the Brexiteers had no intention of delivering.
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Every election 'some' people vote for politicians based on promises they have made that they don't keep.

Should all election results be overturned when this happens?

If not, what would you like to see happen regarding brexit?
 
The Shank said:
Every election 'some' people vote for politicians based on promises they have made that they don't keep.
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And then we get the opportunity later to vote out the politicians who made those false promises, so are you in favour of another referendum based on the actual Brexit terms when those are decided?
 
Garrison said:
And then we get the opportunity later to vote out the politicians who made those false promises, so are you in favour of another referendum based on the actual Brexit terms when those are decided?
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As I've already stated, yes.

As long as we can then have another referendum if i dont like the result.
 
The Shank said:
As I've already stated, yes.

As long as
we can then have another referendum if i dont like the result.
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Which is of course not what remainers complain about, but you know that and are just doing a Logger.
 
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It's weak to ask for a rematch when you've lost the game. You should at least wait until the prize for the first match has been delivered before expecting another try.

We had to wait forty years between the first and second EU referendums. Maybe it doesn't need to be that long before a third - perhaps ten years would do; certainly not until at least five years after the completion of implementing the previous referendum decision - which might take until 2021 or later on current plans.
 
ceptimus said:
It's weak to ask for a rematch when you've lost the game. You should at least wait until the prize for the first match has been delivered before expecting another try.

We had to wait forty years between the first and second EU referendums. Maybe it doesn't need to be that long before a third - perhaps ten years would do; certainly not until at least five years after the completion of implementing the previous referendum decision - which might take until 2021 or later on current plans.
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Fair points.

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ceptimus said:
It's weak to ask for a rematch when you've lost the game. You should at least wait until the prize for the first match has been delivered before expecting another try.

We had to wait forty years between the first and second EU referendums. Maybe it doesn't need to be that long before a third - perhaps ten years would do; certainly not until at least five years after the completion of implementing the previous referendum decision - which might take until 2021 or later on current plans.
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But normally you know the rules of the game before you start.

Not wait until the result and then change the rules.
 
ceptimus said:
It's weak to ask for a rematch when you've lost the game. You should at least wait until the prize for the first match has been delivered before expecting another try.

We had to wait forty years between the first and second EU referendums. Maybe it doesn't need to be that long before a third - perhaps ten years would do; certainly not until at least five years after the completion of implementing the previous referendum decision - which might take until 2021 or later on current plans.
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The thing that I find hypocritical of some brexiteers (Bojo and Farage to name but two), was that they both said it needs to be a 60:40 vote- Ukip even set up a petition to this effect. But when the vote was 48:52 it was "the peoples" will, sacrosanct, and to be carried through at all odds.
 
ceptimus said:
It's weak to ask for a rematch when you've lost the game. You should at least wait until the prize for the first match has been delivered before expecting another try.
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This is more akin to asking for an appeal before your executed.
 
Mr Fied said:
But normally you know the rules of the game before you start.

Not wait until the result and then change the rules.
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The rules for this game were very clear. The government asked us to vote whether we wanted to remain in the EU or leave the EU, and the government promised to implement what we decided.
 
Or, to put it slightly differently, not to know what the stakes really are until after the game is played, having been promised different things by the other player.

In this particular hand of poker it didn't become clear that both players would lose a kidney and the index finger on their good hand. Plus they would suffer some facial scarring and maybe a broken bone or two. Nothing fatal, but most definitely not the actual rewards that were promised.

But the winners get a minor bonus - they get to choose who enters the casino in future.
Whoopee!

And this is where the 'general election won by lying party' comparison breaks down. No such election has ever had the consequences we now face, and with so little power to deal with those consequences when they become apparent.
 
ceptimus said:
The rules for this game were very clear. The government asked us to vote whether we wanted to remain in the EU or leave the EU, and the government promised to implement what we decided.
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How could it have been clear?

No one knows what leaving means now, two years after the referendum, how could anyone have known then?
 
The confusion is engendered by remain supporters arguing that 'leave' doesn't really mean leave - it only means 'partly leave'. They apparently have no problem understanding what 'remain' meant, so they might get a clearer picture of what the public voted for by thinking of the two options offered as 'remain' and 'not remain'.
 
ceptimus said:
The confusion is engendered by remain supporters arguing that 'leave' doesn't really mean leave - it only means 'partly leave'. They apparently have no problem understanding what 'remain' meant, so they might get a clearer picture of what the public voted for by thinking of the two options offered as 'remain' and 'not remain'.
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Can you point out what was promised by the leave campaign in the lead up to the referendum?

What exactly was their unanimous, coherent view on what leaving the EU actually entailed?
 
ceptimus said:
The confusion is engendered by remain supporters arguing that 'leave' doesn't really mean leave - it only means 'partly leave'.
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Your the one who appears confused, it was Leave who promised we could somehow 'partly leave', keeping the benefits of the single market while having none of the red tape or free movement of people.
 
Veiled threats of war
Collapse of the economy
Collapse of the nhs
Food shortages
Planes falling from the sky
Nuclear power plants stopping
Referendum wasn't won by a big enough margin
Xenophobia
Voters too stupid to understand the issues
Driving licence won't be valid in France
Motorway will be a car park
Foreign powers involved

Will project fear never end?
 
ceptimus said:
We don't want to leave the European Arrest Warrant. It's the EU in the shape of Michael Barnier that is threatening to kick us out and make everyone less safe. Understandable that he thinks threats to the UK are more important right now than the safety of EU citizens.
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But everyone was quite clear on what leaving the EU would mean before they voted.
 
The Shank said:
Veiled threats of war
Collapse of the economy
Collapse of the nhs
Food shortages
Planes falling from the sky
Nuclear power plants stopping
Referendum wasn't won by a big enough margin
Xenophobia
Voters too stupid to understand the issues
Driving licence won't be valid in France
Motorway will be a car park
Foreign powers involved

Will project fear never end?
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I'm sure you can back all those up with 'Remain' promises from prior to the referendum?
 
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