Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Hans]

Thanks very much for the analysis. Yep more smoke and intellectual stench from BLP.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Labs have analysed Mills' crystals. All they can do is report anomalous results, which they do. They have no frame of reference to say the results were from this or that, although some labs which are more involved like those at Rowan will say the results are consistent with Mills' theoretically predicted results of hydrino signature.

You're the one who is not paying close enough attention.

Show me.

And by that I mean the lab results. No he said she said that maybe someone heard somewhere that one of the crystals might have had an anomalous reading on some obscure piece of equipment calibrated outside its useful range.

What sort of crystal did they analyze? What elements were detected in the crystal? What exactly is the anomalous result? It weighs more than it should? It has a unique crystalline structure? It has unique chemical properties? What exactly is anomalous about them?

I have been paying attention and it is clear that the anomalous result of excess energy produced when creating the reaction is very likely a combination of the burning up of metals and equipment improperly used. Certainly in no cases has this been ruled out. So it is the default position that it is simply rather mundane experimental error.

The crystals though are different. Mills supposedly sent a bunch off to be tested at actual independent labs for hydrinos. Not a single one came back with a positive hit for hydrinos. You say they did...sorta kinda... in so much as they found anomolous characteristics that can't be explained in any conventional way and are consistent with hydrino crystals.

OK

Show me! Lets see those "anomalous" results.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

The journal's impact factor and related statistics are less than impressive, and the Mills paper is unlikely to improve those statistics, but an even more negative impression was created by publishing an abstract that said things like this:

"about 10 times more moles of gunpowder". What an awkward phrase.

Allowing that phrase into the abstract indicates poor editing and possibly poor peer review as well. It is of course possible that the editor was not a native speaker of English, but one would expect quality journals to have a process that would allow the author(s) of an article to push back against any nonsensical phrases an editor inserts into an abstract. Something went wrong here.

I take it that you didn't read the linked articles then.

I read enough of those articles to realize they neither supported your argument nor refuted mine.

We are all too familiar with the rhetorical tactic of trying to create an impression some absurd argument is supported by arcanely irrelevant articles from the marginal literature. It was about as convincing as your suggestion that Raman spectroscopy can detect hydrinos at imaginary angles, albeit not as funny.

 

[Mike!]

Given the ridiculous nature of most everything else about this, maybe they were using actual underground burrowing Moles as a unit of weight. What's a mole weigh, anyway? I see by LiveScience*, "They typically weigh 2.5 to 4.5 ounces (72 to 128 grams), according to the Mammal Society. "... So if we take the heavy side of that, ten moles would weigh about 45 ounces... Or roughly 3 pounds. So now we know the Suncell, or whatever he's calling it this week, produced more explosive energy than 3 pounds of gunpowder. Okay, now that's starting to sound impressive.








*https://www.livescience.com/52297-moles.html

 

[Hans]

Given the ridiculous nature of most everything else about this, maybe they were using actual underground burrowing Moles as a unit of weight. What's a mole weigh, anyway? I see by LiveScience*, "They typically weigh 2.5 to 4.5 ounces (72 to 128 grams), according to the Mammal Society. "... So if we take the heavy side of that, ten moles would weigh about 45 ounces... Or roughly 3 pounds. So now we know the Suncell, or whatever he's calling it this week, produced more explosive energy than 3 pounds of gunpowder. Okay, now that's starting to sound impressive.
*https://www.livescience.com/52297-moles.html

Yeah a consumer would love his new "suncell" he would install it - turn it on and get power for a few minutes before an explosion wrecks his house...chuckle.

 

[The Man]

It is quite remarkable that hydrated silver can explode with more force than dynamite. With dynamite (or the other standard explosive used, ammonium nitrate), the oxidizer element is included in the mix and so it can burn very quickly, explosively. Who would have thought the same for hydrated silver? No one except Mills, with novel hydrino chemistry at work.

Wait, we've been telling you for pages "the oxidizer element is included in the mix" as the water added to get the "hydrated silver" and required for Mills purportedly "novel hydrino chemistry at work". Finally stepped over to the oxidation side have you?

 

[Mike!]

Yeah a consumer would love his new "suncell" he would install it - turn it on and get power for a few minutes seconds before an explosion wrecks his house...chuckle.

Not to be a stickler or anything.

 

[markie]

Show me.

And by that I mean the lab results. No he said she said that maybe someone heard somewhere that one of the crystals might have had an anomalous reading on some obscure piece of equipment calibrated outside its useful range.

What sort of crystal did they analyze? What elements were detected in the crystal? What exactly is the anomalous result? It weighs more than it should? It has a unique crystalline structure? It has unique chemical properties? What exactly is anomalous about them?

I have been paying attention and it is clear that the anomalous result of excess energy produced when creating the reaction is very likely a combination of the burning up of metals and equipment improperly used. Certainly in no cases has this been ruled out. So it is the default position that it is simply rather mundane experimental error.

The crystals though are different. Mills supposedly sent a bunch off to be tested at actual independent labs for hydrinos. Not a single one came back with a positive hit for hydrinos. You say they did...sorta kinda... in so much as they found anomolous characteristics that can't be explained in any conventional way and are consistent with hydrino crystals.

OK

Show me! Lets see those "anomalous" results.

For starters you could look at what Mills and co published in the International Journal of Hydrogen Energy in 2001.

Identification of Compounds Containing Novel Hydride Ions by Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.20.8498&rep=rep1&type=pdf

On page 24 you will see the names of some of the different labs used to do NMR spectroscopy on the crystals.

 

[markie]

Wait, we've been telling you for pages "the oxidizer element is included in the mix" as the water added to get the "hydrated silver" and required for Mills purportedly "novel hydrino chemistry at work". Finally stepped over to the oxidation side have you?

Gone to the oxidation side, I have not.

Silver hardly oxidizes at high temperatures. Rather high heat will revert silver oxide to O2 and metallic silver.
See https://chem.umn.edu/temperature-dependence-silver-oxide-formation

This is not the oxidizing reaction you are looking for.

 

[abaddon]

Gone to the oxidation side, I have not.

Silver hardly oxidizes at high temperatures. Rather high heat will revert silver oxide to O2 and metallic silver.
See https://chem.umn.edu/temperature-dependence-silver-oxide-formation

This is not the oxidizing reaction you are looking for.

Good grief. Silver oxidises at any temperature.

 

[The Norseman]

No worries, mate - neither is Mills!

Maybe he's looking to hire me on then!

Huh? Who is saying an 'absolutely enormous number of people" are "suppressing" anything?

"VIRTUALLY ALL SCIENTISTS" know nothing of Mills and his work, largely because their work has little or no intersection with what Mills is doing

Interesting.

When the "right answer" calls for it, Mills has discovered the next paradigm-shattering invention, unless the next "right answer" calls for him to twist his toe in the dirt in pure aw shucks humbleness.

Mills has claimed and written thousands of pages of math and physics nonsense all in the attempt to claim he and he alone has finally come up with the Grand Unification of All Physics Once And Forever Amen but mainly that hydrogen has a lower ground state than the rest of physics says it does and...

...aww shucks! Lil ole Randy is just a simple, shade-tree physicist who is bravely puttering along, nearly alone in his pursuit of the inevitable, doing that which no other physicist or any other scientist in any field has much of an interest in because...

...the discovery of ground states of elements that differ from anything known to science up until now doesn't affect other scientific disciplines. According to markie.

Mills is apparently expert on atomic physics, molecular physics, collective phenomena, high-energy physics, and cosmology. All without formal education beyond a few college courses in medicine and chemistry. He pontificates on subjects such as "The Schrödinger Wave function in violation of Maxwell's equations", "wave-particle duality", "the wave-particle duality is not due to the uncertainty principle", "inconsistencies of quantum mechanics" and on and on and on.

"Little or no intersection" eh?

 

[The Man]

Gone to the oxidation side, I have not.

Silver hardly oxidizes at high temperatures. Rather high heat will revert silver oxide to O2 and metallic silver.
See https://chem.umn.edu/temperature-dependence-silver-oxide-formation

This is not the oxidizing reaction you are looking for.

Who said siver was "the oxidizing reaction you are looking for"? As already mentioned here before siver is a good catalyst for oxidation reactions.

Who exactly needs to be looking for anything, oxidation or otherwise, other than just Mills? As noted here before he evidently can keep some reaction going but at insufficient energy to be commercially useful. Alternatively he can get a fast reaction of some sort and some decent energy but the unit fails in too short a time to be commercially useful. His continued failure in both those regards is simply his problem and as far as I know no one else is trying to make a commercial product out of a failed hydrino generator or just a generator out of a spot welder.

 

[Hans]

Not to be a stickler or anything.

I was being optimistic 30 years versus 2 minutes what's the difference!

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The experiment is intended to be highly reproducible, and so there is more overhead than might be usual.

It's meant to be highly reproducible, yet he will sue anybody who tries to reproduce it?

 

[The Man]

Maybe he's looking to hire me on then!



Interesting.

When the "right answer" calls for it, Mills has discovered the next paradigm-shattering invention, unless the next "right answer" calls for him to twist his toe in the dirt in pure aw shucks humbleness.

Mills has claimed and written thousands of pages of math and physics nonsense all in the attempt to claim he and he alone has finally come up with the Grand Unification of All Physics Once And Forever Amen but mainly that hydrogen has a lower ground state than the rest of physics says it does and...

...aww shucks! Lil ole Randy is just a simple, shade-tree physicist who is bravely puttering along, nearly alone in his pursuit of the inevitable, doing that which no other physicist or any other scientist in any field has much of an interest in because...

...the discovery of ground states of elements that differ from anything known to science up until now doesn't affect other scientific disciplines. According to markie.

Mills is apparently expert on atomic physics, molecular physics, collective phenomena, high-energy physics, and cosmology. All without formal education beyond a few college courses in medicine and chemistry. He pontificates on subjects such as "The Schrödinger Wave function in violation of Maxwell's equations", "wave-particle duality", "the wave-particle duality is not due to the uncertainty principle", "inconsistencies of quantum mechanics" and on and on and on.

"Little or no intersection" eh?

Yep, just before it was...

One must be careful with the word 'novelty'. You see, if something is novel in the sense that it would make the last 80 years of quantum physics look rather silly, it will be almost entirely ignored. Scientists much prefer the type of novel that is incremental and fits in some potential niche of the existing paradigm. IOW novel yet safe.

because "it would make the last 80 years of quantum physics look rather silly" "it will be almost entirely ignored". However, being called on that silly suppression caim by SOdhner, then suddenly it's the even sillier claim that "their work has little or no intersection with what Mills is doing."

If only Mills work could make "the last 80 years of quantum physics look" anywhere near as silly as his and thier claims make him and his work look. Including that particularly silly drawing of round electromagnets on a Faraday channel MHD generator.

 

[markie]

Good grief. Silver oxidises at any temperature.

Sure, but why not be a little more precise? As is well known in chemistry reactions go both ways. An equilibrium is attained according to the environment. At high temperatures the silver oxidation reaction is not favoured like it is at room temperature.

 

[markie]

Who said siver was "the oxidizing reaction you are looking for"? As already mentioned here before siver is a good catalyst for oxidation reactions.

Who exactly needs to be looking for anything, oxidation or otherwise, other than just Mills? As noted here before he evidently can keep some reaction going but at insufficient energy to be commercially useful. Alternatively he can get a fast reaction of some sort and some decent energy but the unit fails in too short a time to be commercially useful. His continued failure in both those regards is simply his problem and as far as I know no one else is trying to make a commercial product out of a failed hydrino generator or just a generator out of a spot welder.

If it is not silver oxidizing, then what is it? There is no conventional answer. It's just silver and water. There is no conventional answer to what is producing the eUV and soft X-rays. There is no conventional answer for the huge exothermic nature of the reaction. There is no conventional answer for the dihydrino signature measured in multiple ways.

 

[markie]

Yep, just before it was...



because "it would make the last 80 years of quantum physics look rather silly" "it will be almost entirely ignored". However, being called on that silly suppression caim by SOdhner, then suddenly it's the even sillier claim that "their work has little or no intersection with what Mills is doing."

If only Mills work could make "the last 80 years of quantum physics look" anywhere near as silly as his and thier claims make him and his work look. Including that particularly silly drawing of round electromagnets on a Faraday channel MHD generator.

How about you call up your ten closest scientist friends, preferably chemist, physicist, materials scientist, nuclear scientist, etc, and ask them if they have heard of Mills and his theory. Nine out of ten will say they haven't. There is too much going on even within their specialty to be concerned with what would be considered the fringe.

 

[The Man]

If it is not silver oxidizing, then what is it? There is no conventional answer. It's just silver and water. There is no conventional answer to what is producing the eUV and soft X-rays. There is no conventional answer for the huge exothermic nature of the reaction. There is no conventional answer for the dihydrino signature measured in multiple ways.

Wait, so the entire apparatus is made of "just silver and water"? That would be a very silly claim. Why Mills feels the need to burn up spot welding equipment (made of stuff other than "just silver and water"), I'll leave to him, his psychoanalyst, bankers, accountants, employees and apologists.

 

[markie]

It's meant to be highly reproducible, yet he will sue anybody who tries to reproduce it?

Mills welcomes attempts at replication. The more prestigious the lab the better. Know anyone at a lab who might be interested? Point them in BLP's direction and they can communicate with Mills themselves.