As the Plame Leak Turns

Here's a nice summary of current goings on in Salon:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_r...politics/war_room/2005/10/19/plame/index.html

Here's a little idle speculation from blogland on Cheney's involvement
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_aide_cooperating_with_CIA_outing_1018.html

Lots of speculation out in blogland about Cheney's impending resignation. This seems to be at least as reliably sourced as the Bolton's the guy theories. That is to say, without any significant evidence at all.
 
Well. Delay is snagged, though conviction is far from secured.

Meanwhile, back home in Illinois, Republican Edgar is on trial and Democrat Blagojevitch is under investigation.

Daley (not Delay) has been questioned by the FBI.

None of this has to do with the "Bush gang" directly, though Democrat Daley is mixed up with them.

We shall see. :D

Edited to add: Ex-governor Edgar was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his anti death penalty stand. Had he won the prize, he might end up the first Nobel Peace Prize winner in prison for something other than being a prisoner of conscience.

There is no Nobel Prize for bribery. :p
 
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Rove points to Libby. Libby points to Tim Russert. Russert says "huh".
Rove told grand jurors it was possible he first heard in the White House that Valerie Plame, wife of Bush administration Joseph Wilson, worked for the CIA from Libby's recounting of a conversation with a journalist, according to people familiar with his testimony.
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Libby's testimony stated that Rove had told him about his contact with Novak and that Libby had told Rove about information he had gotten about Wilson's wife from NBC's Tim Russert, according to a person familiar with the information shown to Rove.
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Prosecutors, however, have a different account from Russert. The network has said Russert told authorities did not know about Wilson's wife's identity until it was published and therefore could not have told Libby about it.
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The only thing this whole episode proves to me is that Bushies really will excuse anything this administration does. Torture, mass death, bankrupting the country, outing CIA agents, anything.

*pauses from eating live baby's head*

Anybody have some salt?
 
*pauses from eating live baby's head*

Anybody have some salt?

On the one hand, that is funny; on the other hand, Bushies are already making excuses for thousands of deaths, which isn't funny at all.

So do I laugh or cry?
 
*pauses from eating live baby's head*

Anybody have some salt?

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Must first marinate baby head.
 
Well. Delay is snagged, though conviction is far from secured.

Meanwhile, back home in Illinois, Republican Edgar is on trial and Democrat Blagojevitch is under investigation.

Daley (not Delay) has been questioned by the FBI.

None of this has to do with the "Bush gang" directly, though Democrat Daley is mixed up with them.

We shall see. :D

Edited to add: Ex-governor Edgar was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his anti death penalty stand. Had he won the prize, he might end up the first Nobel Peace Prize winner in prison for something other than being a prisoner of conscience.

There is no Nobel Prize for bribery. :p



Methinks you mean ex-gov George Ryan

Edgar is dancing around a run for springfield.
 
It's comforting that the Republicans, like the Democrats, are always undone by their character flaws. It seems to be some sort of universal system of political checks-and-balances.
 
It's comforting that the Republicans, like the Democrats, are always undone by their character flaws. It seems to be some sort of universal system of political checks-and-balances.

What is it about power that does that to people? It always seems to do that to people. Give them responsibility, give them authority, then they go nuts and throw it all away for the sake of either sticking their hands in the till or other bits into the nanny/gardener/call girl/intern. Really, is it asking too much for them to behave themselves for their terms in office? They make enough money that they can quit and be as debauched and criminal as they like afterward.

Although I suppose it makes sense from the "gathering interesting material and publicity for the book deal" angle. But financial wheelings, however criminal, are hardly interesting enough to sell well. Tom, Tom, Tom. You need to have sex with somebody wildly inappropriate, who will blab to the networks about every sordid detail. You may have to go to white collar luxury prison for a bit, but you'll be richer and famouser when you get out. You might even get a TV show!
 
Bush: There's some background noise here, a lot of chatter, a lot of speculation and opining. But the American people expect me to do my job, and I'm going to.
And this funny (but true) line...
David Gergen: I was in the Nixon White House during Watergate, and we pretended that we were all about business as usual. And we had a president who was talking to the portraits.
CBS
 
Link to the special prosecutor's website:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

I read through a few of the documents. Nothing new here, but it is clear that at least in the minds of the federal judges determining if the contempt citations against Cooper, Time and Miller could be sustained it wasn't a close decision. Even if some federal reporter's privilege existed, the judges found that it wouldn't be applicable in this case because the release of CIA operative names would not be something so protected. Interestingly the judges seemed to disagree as to whether any such protection existed in common law.
 
Link to the special prosecutor's website:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

I read through a few of the documents.
I thank you for that, saving me much trouble. I did delve, though, and came across

By fall 2004, the Special Counsel investigation was for all practical purposes complete except for the testimony of Miller and Cooper.​
That seems to knock the "wider investigation" kite out of the sky.

Interestingly the judges seemed to disagree as to whether any such protection existed in common law.
Could you point me more specifically to that section? I have a particular interest in Common Law, wherever and whenever it occurs.
 
This is a summary of the appeals court reasoning from the brief to the supreme court seeking that the lower court findings against Cooper, Time and Miller be sustained:
The panel was unanimous in its rejection of petitioners’ claimed First Amendment privilege in the grand jury context. In the opinion for the court authored by Judge Sentelle, the panel thoroughly analyzed Branzburg v. Hayes, supra, and, finding no material distinction between the facts of Branzburg and those of the case before the court of appeals, held that Branzburg foreclosed petitioners’ claim of protection based on a reporter’s privilege rooted in the First Amendment. Miller Pet. App. 7a-15a.
With respect to petitioners’ request that the court recognize an absolute reporter’s privilege rooted in federal common law, the panel was unanimous in ruling out the existence of such a privilege. Miller Pet. App. 15a, 76a-77a. With respect to petitioners’ alternative argument for a qualified privilege, the panel was “not of one mind” concerning the existence of such a privilege. Miller Pet. App. 15a. The court explained that Judge Sentelle “would hold that there is no such common law privilege,” that Judge Tatel “would hold that there is such a common law privilege,” and that Judge Henderson “believes that we need not, and therefore should not, reach that question.” Ibid.
The panel also unanimously agreed that, using the formulation of a qualified common law privilege suggested by Judge Tatel, the privilege was overcome and, therefore, that the district court’s decision should be affirmed. Miller Pet. App. 15a, 22a, 31a, 77a.2 Judge Tatel, who alone favored recognition of a common law reporter’s privilege, applied the standard he had formulated to the facts of the case and determined, after “carefully scrutiniz[ing] [the special counsel’s] voluminous classified filings,” that, “based on an exhaustive investigation, the special counsel has established the need for Miller’s and Cooper’s testimony,” and that, “considering the gravity of the suspected crime and the low value of the leaked information, no privilege bars the subpoenas.” Miller Pet. App. 64a, 75a.3
Source:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/miller_cooper_brief_oppose_cert.pdf

Although it is a little off the topic, could you say something about what the term common law means? By what authority does a prior decision apply in a particular case? Does the decision need to be by a higher court with authority over the lower court?

One other aside here: I saw Bennet (Miller's attorney) being interviewed. He said that he thought that no press shield law in place or contemplated would apply to situation his client was in. That surprised me that he would so openly admit that one of the major defenses for his client was probably invalid.
 
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Although it is a little off the topic, could you say something about what the term common law means?
I take it to mean any non-statutory law, laws that come from the bottom-up, so to speak. Customary law, concerning the ordinary events of ordinary life. It's a better reflection of a society than statutory law, IMO.

I don't see how it can apply in this case, given the Constitutional aspect, but I'm not a lawyer. If I was I'd probably still think the same, but give it a try anyway (as seems to have happened in this case). :)
 
Wanna Bet?

OK guys, instead of us blithely basking in the void left by normdoering, maybe we can liven things up with a wager.

Going out on a limb, I'll bet a $100 individual membership that Rove and Libby are both indicted next week. If I win, you pay for my membership. If you win, I pay for your membership. If Fitzgerald extends the grand jury with no indictments, I lose.

(Caveat: When I wager, it is usually because I'm confident of victory whereas this time it has more to do with paying jref dues.)

Any takers?
 
My view has changed a bit on this. A week ago I was thinking that there might be some indictments but that the overall effect was going to be minor on the Bush administration and some people might not resign even if they were indicted.

I now think CD was right that anybody that is indicted will resign and I think it is probable that Libby will be and at least a good chance that Rove will be. So I would be betting against my guess if I took your bet Varwoche.

One piece of information that came out this week is that the Bush administration was lying (meaning that they were knowingly misrepresenting) about the strength of the evidence for the case that Iraq had WMD. Up to this point many people assumed that they were but now it looks like proof of lying exists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9756141/site/newsweek/

This is probably a thought for a different thread, but some of this could be good for the Bush administration. Bush has an opportunity to turn things around and a good first start would be to get some new blood in place. I liked Newt Gingritch's idea that Bush should tell the American people what the priorities of his administration are and set out a plan to accomplish them. Getting rid of Rove and maybe Rumsfeld might be a good way to begin to convince people that Bush was serious and that the old ways of sleazy leaks and lies were going to change.
 
This is probably a thought for a different thread, but some of this could be good for the Bush administration. Bush has an opportunity to turn things around and a good first start would be to get some new blood in place. I liked Newt Gingritch's idea that Bush should tell the American people what the priorities of his administration are and set out a plan to accomplish them. Getting rid of Rove and maybe Rumsfeld might be a good way to begin to convince people that Bush was serious and that the old ways of sleazy leaks and lies were going to change.
The President was shocked, shocked and, yes, saddened to discover what had been done in his name. It makes him feel closer to Jeebus, in whose name much evil has been done. (Not by Catholics or Protestants, of course, but by liberals.) The cleansed Republican Party will henceforth be known as the New Republican Party, and Uncle Karl's job will be filled by Alistair Campbell.

It could work.

varwoche : Gambling on a Sunday is sinful, but despite that I can't bring myself to make such a dodgy bet. Fitzgerald is inscrutable, and the investigaton seems to have been remarkably leak-free. Nothing like that other chap, Starr was it? Anyhoo, I don't bet unless I have an edge and on this one I'm just awaiting events with great anticipation.
 
One piece of information that came out this week is that the Bush administration was lying (meaning that they were knowingly misrepresenting) about the strength of the evidence for the case that Iraq had WMD. Up to this point many people assumed that they were but now it looks like proof of lying exists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9756141/site/newsweek/
It's pretty damning. Something that strikes me is that Libby was pushing a line that, only 10 days later, would be shown to be a lie. Either he was out of the loop (which I think most unlikely) or there was not, at the time, any intention to release the more detailed NIE. That would mean that the decision was taken in great haste. Which, along with Libby's harping on about Wilson, indicates that the White House realised it was very vulnerable on the Niger issue. They seem to have got themselves way out on a fragile limb without realising it. Not terribly clever. Quite possibly hubristic.
 

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