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All things Trump + Russia Part 4

Darat said:
What a job to have!
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"He's going on about Hillary again"
"Reliving election, reliving election"
"Fake news yadda yadda yadda"
"Mr Trump asks if you fixed the election, which he says you didn't, witch hunt, fake news, angry democrats... Look I know I'm only here to translate, but does this guy ever say anything worth the effort?"
 
I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!
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I have a feeling Russia will be on the Dems' side this election and hoping for a Blue Wave.

Why?

It'll create more discord in the political climate and culture in the US.
 
C_Felix said:
I have a feeling Russia will be on the Dems' side this election and hoping for a Blue Wave.

Why?

It'll create more discord in the political climate and culture in the US.
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That's if you assume discord is their primary goal. The primary goal seems more like getting the POTUS to end sanctions or not enforce them. In that case they would want Trump to maintain control of Congress, and that creates more discord than Putin could ever hope for. IOW supporting a GOP Congress is a Putin twofur.
 
C_Felix said:
I have a feeling Russia will be on the Dems' side this election and hoping for a Blue Wave.

Why?

It'll create more discord in the political climate and culture in the US.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
That's if you assume discord is their primary goal. The primary goal seems more like getting the POTUS to end sanctions or not enforce them. In that case they would want Trump to maintain control of Congress, and that creates more discord than Putin could ever hope for. IOW supporting a GOP Congress is a Putin twofur.
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Primary and secondary goals are for amateurs.
 
I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!
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If democrats win... it's proof that Russians meddled.

If republicans win... it's proof that Russian meddling has no impact on US elections.


Trump knows how to preemptively set the stage no matter which direction the results go. He's a pro at this type of con game, he's been playing it his entire life.
 
A conservative columnist summarizes Russian interference:
We still don’t know the full extent of the Russian interference, but we know its propaganda reached 126 million people via Facebook alone. A BuzzFeed analysis found that fake news stories on Facebook generated more social engagement in the last three months of the campaign than did legitimate articles: The “20 top-performing false election stories from hoax sites and hyperpartisan blogs generated 8,711,000 shares, reactions, and comments on Facebook.” Almost all of this “fake news” was either started or spread by Russian bots, including claims that the pope had endorsed Trump and that Hillary Clinton had sold weapons to the Islamic State.

Elsewhere on social media, tens of thousands of Russian bots spread pro-Trump messages on Twitter, which has already notified about 1.4 million users that they interacted with Russian accounts. The Russian disinformation, propagating hashtags such as #Hillary4Prison and #MAGA, reflected what the Trump campaign was saying. The Russian bots even claimed after every presidential debate that Trump had won, whereas objective viewers gave each one to Clinton.

Russia also hacked voting systems in at least 39 states, and while there is no evidence that vote tallies were changed, Russians may have used the stolen data to target their social media or shared the results with the Trump campaign. The Senate Intelligence Committee found that “in a small number of states” the Russians may have been able to “alter or delete voter registration data,” potentially disenfranchising Clinton voters.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?noredirect=on
 
Bob001 said:
The Senate Intelligence Committee found that “in a small number of states” the Russians may have been able to “alter or delete voter registration data,” potentially disenfranchising Clinton voters.
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That's... a bit of a bombshell that I think got largely missed by the MSM... or, at least, I missed it.
 
Upchurch said:
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Does anyone actually buy into this?
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I ran that through my Google Trasnlate - Trumpese to English.

"I see no one is rallying around my constant reminders to get out and support the party, in-house polling (and outhouse polling) has us losing the Senate and House and I need someone to blame." "Oh, and I won't be stumping for any candidates unless THEY come to Trump Rallies; can't be seen backing losers."
 
Aridas said:
That's... a bit of a bombshell that I think got largely missed by the MSM... or, at least, I missed it.
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That information has been around for months, although there's so much out there and the news cycle moves so quickly that it's easy to miss such things.

IIRC, the more troubling news is that they have already hacked systems for the upcoming election and nothing has been done about it.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
The first 20 minutes or so of Rachel Maddow’s show last night are well worth a watch/listen. Available as a podcast.
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Oh! Thanks for the tip! I keep watch/listening to it on youtube, but that is much handier.
 
More on how we got here:
In Helsinki, Russian President Vladimir Putin admitted he wanted Trump to win — something Trump continues to deny to this day. Putin was more than a well-wisher from afar: His intelligence services ran an extensive operation designed to help Trump, including social media propaganda and hacks of Democratic emails. As I argued earlier, there is strong reason to believe that Trump wouldn’t be president without Russian help.

While this was going on, the Moscow Project of the Center for American Progress reports, there were 82 known “contacts between the Trump team and Russia-linked operatives.” “None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities,” according to the project. Team Trump tried to conceal all of them.
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Now Putin is just trolling the U.S. at this point. Some very evil trolling.

"Yes I did want Trump to win...as did half the country. I just want US-Russian relations to improve, so I was rooting for him." *shrugs*

Reporters ought to pressure Putin more when he gives these kinds of replies, though most of them ask the usual talking points FAQs and what's hot currently. Did conditions not improve enough when Bush was in office? What about Obama, whose Secretary of State wanted a well-intentioned but naive "reset" and who rebuked Romney for saying Russia was an enemy?

Relations will improve when Putin is happy.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Waste of time. Unlike Trump, Putin is a very skilled liar and politician. Reporters get nowhere interviewing him.
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He is a skilled liar, but only insofar as knowledgeable questioners can't corner or at least cross examine him with a couple truth bombs about his past. The language barrier may also serve as a screen between him and Western journalists who may be less reluctant to call him out on his B.S. You can only ask so much.
 
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