Stand Your Ground Florida, Stand Your Ground

[Ziggurat]

Interesting what the death of another human being, justified by a ridiculous law, does to people.

It's insanity.

The law is not ridiculous, and it does not justify this killing.

 

[This is The End]

The law is not ridiculous.

Any law that increases homicide rates by 30% is ridiculous on its face.

 

[Cain]

Any law that increases homicide rates by 30% is ridiculous on its face.

You mean justified homicide? Think about how great it is to legally kill people? It's just a bonus that they're black. You can be a tough-talking wannabe police officer patrolling your neighborhood and BAM: you get to kill Trayvon. You can be an ******* parking lot cop who makes bitchy comments for unauthorized use of the handicap spot and BAM: gun down a father of tre. #Empowering #Don'tTreadOnMe #HookerTookMy$$$NowSheDeadBitch(YouThaBitchNoCommasInHashTags)

 

[This is The End]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/victims-g...tal-stand-095904222--abc-news-topstories.html

“By this time a witness pulls up and everybody hears us going back and forth with one another. ... A witness goes in the store and he let the owner know that there was somebody out there messing with a woman in a car,” she said. “My man hears what’s going on, sees the guy yelling at me and I’m sitting in the car. My man is defending me and his children, so he pushes him down.


“The guy is on the ground and he pulls the gun out. ... My dude steps back 'cause my dude is fearing for his life -- all of us were,” she added.

Drejka is ***** IMO.

 

[This is The End]

You mean justified homicide?

Well, I know it's you and all, but I should elaborate.

The knowledge that your state has the law is shown to cause "people to engage in potentially violent situations that they would’ve previously avoided".

When is pretty ****** obvious really.

http://time.com/4569145/florida-stand-your-ground-law-homicide-increase-study/

Since the controversial law was implemented in 2005, Florida’s overall monthly homicide rate has increased 24.4% and the homicide by firearm rate is up 31.6%, according to the study, which was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The research backs up a similar study from 2013

“This doesn’t rule out the possibility that there might have been something else that happened the we don’t know about,” Humphreys says. “But the magnitude of the effect led us to believe that the only thing that could plausibly lead to that effect is ‘Stand Your Ground.’”

In other words, the only people claiming "huge coincidence" to that are racist & white.

 

[Mumbles]

I watched the video. There is no audio. What I see is a man checking out a vehicle. He approaches the driver's side and then backs off a step or two and appears to be pointing out other parking spaces. He does not appear to be gesticulating too wildly. When the boyfriend comes out, the old guy is distracted by the vehicle door opening and does not see or react the the boyfriend coming at him. The boyfriend violently shoves the guy to the ground. We can't see if his head strikes the ground as it is blocked by the boyfriend's body. The guy on the ground goes for his weapon and shoots the boyfriend within 4 seconds of hitting the ground. We don't know what the boyfriend was saying before the guy shoots.

Speculation does not help.

By all accounts, he was loud enough to be noticed by everyone around him, and aggressive enough for the woman he was likely yelling at to get out of the car. If they wanted to charge him with a crime like "disturbing the peace", "menacing", or whatever, they would do so, which would mean he was committing a crime during the shooting. Boom, done, murder/manslaughter charge justified. I've seen plenty of people charged for far thinner reasons, this guy at least unquestionably shot and killed someone.

 

[ponderingturtle]

By all accounts, he was loud enough to be noticed by everyone around him, and aggressive enough for the woman he was likely yelling at to get out of the car. If they wanted to charge him with a crime like "disturbing the peace", "menacing", or whatever, they would do so, which would mean he was committing a crime during the shooting. Boom, done, murder/manslaughter charge justified. I've seen plenty of people charged for far thinner reasons, this guy at least unquestionably shot and killed someone.

He is a free speech hero for the right wing like Jeremy Joseph Christian standing up for their first amendment rights to harass the lesser races.

 

[Meadmaker]

Park your jalopy in a handicap spot.
Someone tells you to move it.
Getting in screaming argument.
Hulking boyfriend blindsides guy twice his age.
Hulking boyfriend removed from gene pool.

Yeah, not too upset about this one.

(Ain’t that just like a guy who would park in a handicapped spot, he brought a shove to a gun fight)

Cain? Is that you?

 

[Information Analyst]

Seems, like the deceased’s mistake was “parking” an armed man on his ass because his baby momma was too *********** lazy to park like a human being.

Cool dog whistle, bro.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Does anyone think this guy would be out playing parking police if he wasn't armed? It takes a special kind of courage to be confrontational knowing that you have a gun hidden in your belt.

Legal or not, shooter is human garbage.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Here is the next stand your ground self defense shooting.

https://people.com/crime/dad-fatally-shot-after-defending-friend-racial-slurs/

Who wouldn't be afraid for the life after someone leaves a bar to confront them after they got thrown out of the bar. Totally legit legal shooting.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Here is the next stand your ground self defense shooting.

https://people.com/crime/dad-fatally-shot-after-defending-friend-racial-slurs/

Who wouldn't be afraid for the life after someone leaves a bar to confront them after they got thrown out of the bar. Totally legit legal shooting.

Seriously, your posts are getting to be about as non-nonsensical as Logger's were. The guy is under arrest for suspected homicide, how do you warp that in your brain to become a SYG case and legit shooting?

 

[lobosrul5]

Does anyone think this guy would be out playing parking police if he wasn't armed? It takes a special kind of courage to be confrontational knowing that you have a gun hidden in your belt.

Legal or not, shooter is human garbage.

Given that the store owner said this isn't the first time he's been seeing confronting people, there is little doubt in my mind he went looking for a reason to shoot someone.

 

[The Big Dog]

Several people in this thread seem to be forgetting that even if the "shove" was 100% wrong (legally, morally, financially, whatever) the shooting can very well still be determined to be unjustified. Even in Florida.

if?

Of course it was 100% wrong.

"If" the Lothario wanted to protect his Lady Fair who was squatting in the handicapped parking lot, he could have interposed his bulk between the victim and the car, rather than blindsiding the victim.

 

[Ziggurat]

If they wanted to charge him with a crime like "disturbing the peace", "menacing", or whatever, they would do so, which would mean he was committing a crime during the shooting. Boom, done, murder/manslaughter charge justified.

No. A death which occurs during the commission of felony can be charged as murder to the person committing that felony (hence the term "felony murder"), but misdemeanors don't qualify for that treatment. I'm sure you can imagine the abuses such a law could produce.

 

[lobosrul5]

if?

Of course it was 100% wrong.

"If" the Lothario wanted to protect his Lady Fair who was squatting in the handicapped parking lot, he could have interposed his bulk between the victim and the car, rather than blindsiding the victim.

It was 100% wrong UNLESS he was threatening the guys girlfriend with physical violence. Not sure we'll ever have definitive proof one way or the other on that.

 

[The Big Dog]

It was 100% wrong UNLESS he was threatening the guys girlfriend with physical violence. Not sure we'll ever have definitive proof one way or the other on that.

I am pretty sure we will, because the shover did not stop to assess the situation, he went from the door into the violent act without stopping

 

[The Big Dog]

“My man hears what’s going on, sees the guy yelling at me and I’m sitting in the car. My man is defending me and his children, so he pushes him down."

Thanks, he will be releasing the shovee toot sweet with our apologies for detaining him.

By the way, here is a 150 ticket for squatting in the handicapped spot. See that it does not happen again.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Disagree. The deceased blindsided him and wrecked him. That would be 15 yards and an ejection for targeting. The guy who got blindsided seemed totally dazed.

I agree.

The proper punishment should be 15 yards and ejection from the parking lot.

I don't understand the rest of the thread.

 

[332nd]

Instead of shoving him he should've punched him in the face & then grabbed their son & left.