Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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The Don said:
It seems that Donald Trump's approval ratings are at an all time (for him) high.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald...igher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201

Approval within the Republican Party is over 90%.

All of those people who thought, and said, that Donald Trump's apparent support for Vladimir Putin, and his subsequent clarification of his comments, would damage him politically were simply wrong IMO. President Trump's popularity is impervious to the kinds of things that would finish the political career of pretty much any other politician.

I simply do not understand it - and in particular I do not understand why close to 40% of independents continue to support him :confused:
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There might be a flaw in that poll. That is that those voters that previously identified themselves as Republican and oppose Trump may no longer identify themselves as Republican. People like George Will, Max Boot, Whitman etc are not going to appear as Republicans who approve of Trump. Consider carefully that as the party grows smaller it becomes more solidly Trump.

George Will said it the other day. The Republican party is dead. It is now the party of Trump. Its like reducing a sauce in cooking. It is much more concentrated, but it's a lot smaller.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
It's under State. Would you be surprised to know that Trump's lapdog would make a political decision? We're into Survivor Season 2. Anyone who's holding a cabinet position in one of the top ten slots is pretty much a degenerate Trumpskin. Pompeo's a total Koch Roach. It could've been Trump, could've been Pompeo, could've been just someone in the local Consulate who knows better than to cross Cheeto Benito.
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Thanks for my first real laugh of the day!:thumbsup:
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Give them bread and circus, and you rule. If the choice is between in-group power, swag and money versus democratic principle, the former wins every time.

Those who were supposedly entrusted to pass on the lessons of history and the value of democracy, the over 60 crowd, are the first nowadays to line up for Brexit and Trump unicorns and lollipops, dumping the entire post-war security apparatus willy-nilly. That their younger charges have not been educated in the dangers of putting coin before principle, as per WWII, is yet another clear indication that the Baby Boomers are easily the Worst Generation, ever. The West: From hero to zero in one generation.
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Bread and Circuses is incomplete. It leaves out manipulate them by their fears.
 
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Sarah Suckabee just now: POTUS is looking into removing the security clearances of Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Hayden, Rice, McCabe and anyone else obviously that speaks out publicly against Trump or are just people Trump doesn't like.
 
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The Don said:
It seems that Donald Trump's approval ratings are at an all time (for him) high.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald...igher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201

Approval within the Republican Party is over 90%.

All of those people who thought, and said, that Donald Trump's apparent support for Vladimir Putin, and his subsequent clarification of his comments, would damage him politically were simply wrong IMO. President Trump's popularity is impervious to the kinds of things that would finish the political career of pretty much any other politician.

I simply do not understand it - and in particular I do not understand why close to 40% of independents continue to support him :confused:
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"Thank you, Russia, for saving us from Hillary!"
"Politicians are all corrupt anyways. At least Trump's hilarious!"
"The fake news media and the deep state are making up stuff to try to discredit that poor, good man."
"I like his family."
"He's working to fulfill his campaign promises."
"But Obama/Hillary/Clinton..."
...and so on.

It's worth remembering that a lot of these people had notably different sets of values from the start, and that the right-wing opinion media has been playing to and twisting those values for decades. Many of them, for example, only have one major complaint with theocracies, and that's only if the theocracy isn't based on their particular religion. The Evangelical support is based on... strange things, though, to put it nicely. As is relevant for apparently about 58% of the GOP, the right-wing brainwashing bears a lot of very strong similarities to YEC propaganda. Many of them have entirely justifiable dissatisfaction with the situation that they're in and Fox News is offering them answers that are much easier for them to swallow. Many are just outright demoralized (with the double meaning of both the usual meaning and in the sense of what had been American moral values). All of these are notable problems.




acbytesla said:
There might be a flaw in that poll. That is that those voters that previously identified themselves as Republican and oppose Trump may no longer identify themselves as Republican.
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Unfortunately, the shrink, while real, isn't game-breaking or sufficient to entirely explain the change.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Sarah Suckabee just now: POTUS is looking into removing the security clearances of Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Rice, McCabe and anyone else obviously that speaks out publicly against Trump or are just people Trump doesn't like.
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And Rand Paul is supporting him.
When you shoot the messenger, the problem goes away - it's just common sense.
 
Aridas said:
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Unfortunately, the shrink, while real, isn't game-breaking or sufficient to entirely explain the change.
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How do you know? I think you might be able to say that after the midterms, but that seems premature at the moment.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Sarah Suckabee just now: POTUS is looking into removing the security clearances of Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Rice, McCabe and anyone else obviously that speaks out publicly against Trump or are just people Trump doesn't like.
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I was surprised that the reporters didn't push back: "Sarah, do you claim they revealed any secrets?" Those guys have been commenting on Trump's public behavior and remarks. Nobody says they are misusing on classified information, although that might be what motivates their concern.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
There's a difference between not remembering what he said a few hours ago and simply not caring about what he said a few hours. IMO, it seems obvious that Trump simply says what he thinks he needs to say at given moment, and at that moment, what he says is the truth. To him, what he said in the past is of no relevance at all.
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Fortunately for Trump it's of no relevance to his followers either. As you say, Trump's lies live for the moment, like mayflies.
 
Bob001 said:
I was surprised that the reporters didn't push back: "Sarah, do you claim they revealed any secrets?" Those guys have been commenting on Trump's public behavior and remarks. Nobody says they are misusing on classified information, although that might be what motivates their concern.
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They pushed back a little at the end. Suckabee just repeats her spiel and refuses to engage in a discussion.

Katy Tur on MSNBC pushed back when she went on to discuss the press conference.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Huckabee sold her soul for a job. She has to know what a lying, loathsome POS her boss is.
 
The Don said:
It seems that Donald Trump's approval ratings are at an all time (for him) high.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald...igher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201

Approval within the Republican Party is over 90%.

All of those people who thought, and said, that Donald Trump's apparent support for Vladimir Putin, and his subsequent clarification of his comments, would damage him politically were simply wrong IMO. President Trump's popularity is impervious to the kinds of things that would finish the political career of pretty much any other politician.

I simply do not understand it - and in particular I do not understand why close to 40% of independents continue to support him :confused:
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IMO a significant portion of “independent” voters in the US probably vote strictly Republican. Some just like the sound of “independent” (an important virtue to many on the US right) while others don’t find the Republican party to be extreme enough on some issue or another.
 
What I'm seeing on social media is that things are getting more polarized with Trump. People that previously would have disapproved of him are coalescing into support because Trump delivered tax cuts and anti abortion judges.



The good news is that they are still a minority and the opposition is still hugely energized.
 
Bob001 said:
I was surprised that the reporters didn't push back: "Sarah, do you claim they revealed any secrets?" Those guys have been commenting on Trump's public behavior and remarks. Nobody says they are misusing on classified information, although that might be what motivates their concern.
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They should have just pointed out that neither Comey nor McCabe has had a security clearance for months. Christ these people don't try. It's just rapid reactions to appease the large adult president for the next ten minutes.
 
lomiller said:
IMO a significant portion of “independent” voters in the US probably vote strictly Republican. Some just like the sound of “independent” (an important virtue to many on the US right) while others don’t find the Republican party to be extreme enough on some issue or another.
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That's DEFINITELY not true. There are very liberal and very conservative and very moderate people that refuse party ID. Its more about not wanting to be pigeonholed.
 
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