Stand Your Ground Florida, Stand Your Ground

[PhantomWolf]

Disagree. The deceased blindsided him and wrecked him. That would be 15 yards and an ejection for targeting. The guy who got blindsided seemed totally dazed.

Really? Care to provide a link to this information, none of it in in the previously linked article.

Pro tip, do not park in handicapped spots.

You advocate for capital punishment for parking violations now?

 

[The Big Dog]

Really? Care to provide a link to this information, none of it in in the previously linked article.

You advocate for capital punishment for parking violations now?

Wait, you just declared quite authoritatively that the victim was not in fear for his life, and that is your response. Mmmm_mmmmm! Delicious irony.

Seems, like the deceased’s mistake was “parking” an armed man on his ass because his baby momma was too *********** lazy to park like a human being.

Did you miss the whole shove and the victim hitting the concrete? Look at the video again.

 

[Trebuchet]

Really? Care to provide a link to this information, none of it in in the previously linked article.



You advocate for capital punishment for parking violations now?

Only for N-words.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Wait, you just declared quite authoritatively that the victim was not in fear for his life, and that is your response. Mmmm_mmmmm! Delicious irony.

The Law doesn't actually say that the person must be in fear for his life, it says he must have a reasonable fear for his life. I do not believe that his apparent fear was reasonable.

Seems, like the deceased’s mistake was “parking” an armed man on his ass because his baby momma was too *********** lazy to park like a human being.

and apparently you think that is an acceptable reason to kill someone, I don't.

Did you miss the whole shove and the victim hitting the concrete? Look at the video again.

If you have a video link that please posted it as I asked you to do.

 

[The Big Dog]

The Law doesn't actually say that the person must be in fear for his life, it says he must have a reasonable fear for his life. I do not believe that his apparent fear was reasonable.



and apparently you think that is an acceptable reason to kill someone, I don't.



If you have a video link that please posted it as I asked you to do.

Really? You missed the shove and the guy slamming down on the concrete?

Huh.

‘k.

 

[Thermal]

Really? You missed the shove and the guy slamming down on the concrete?

Huh.

‘k.

Shoving someone and backing away, as McGlockton clearly did, is not threatening death or grievous bodily injury. It's assault/battery. Dejka wasn't even under threat anymore when he shot; it was over.

And he did not 'blindside' him. Dejka was facing him when he got shoved.

 

[angrysoba]

Disagree. The deceased blindsided him and wrecked him. That would be 15 yards and an ejection for targeting. The guy who got blindsided seemed totally dazed.

Unbelievable. What results in an advantage for the fowled team in a sport should be met with capital punishment in your worldview?

Pro tip, do not park in handicapped spots.

This has nothing to do with parking in handicapped spots! If it did your worldview would be even more demented than it is right now.

If you are to be consistent, if someone shoved you to the ground after you parked in a handicapped spot then you would be justified in shooting that person dead.

This is ridiculous!

 

[crescent]

Wait, you just declared quite authoritatively that the victim was not in fear for his life, and that is your response. Mmmm_mmmmm! Delicious irony.

Seems, like the deceased’s mistake was “parking” an armed man on his ass because his baby momma was too *********** lazy to park like a human being.

Did you miss the whole shove and the victim hitting the concrete? Look at the video again.

The victim was backing away with his hands at his side when the man pulled the trigger.

If the shooter was in fear for his life, then he must lead a fearful existence. If you think your life would have been in danger in such a situation, then I would not want you to be armed, because that fear was not reasonable. His life was no longer in any reasonable danger. One might argue he was justified in pulling gun out, but once he did the victim's body language changed, he began to move back.

I don't care what the police think, the fear this shooter felt was not reasonable. He should be prosecuted.

 

[This is The End]

Now sure how I forgot the link in the OP:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parking-space-shooting-charged-stand-ground-law/story?id=56715356



Also, the spot being a handicap spot has nothing to do with whether or not this is a valid use of SYG. Anyone bringing it up has an ulterior motive IMO. They want to discredit the victim in any way possible.

The law is so stupid. Would the mother have reason to shoot the stranger yelling at her?? Seems like just as much a valid reason to me...

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh sure, you just got violently attacked and slammed to the ground, but the attack was totally over.

Ridiculous.

 

[gregthehammer]

What a *********** pussy. Big guy couldn't settle his dispute with his fists, like a real man, so he had to pull out a gun like a frightened old lady. Sad.

 

[This is The End]

Oh sure, you just got violently attacked and slammed to the ground, but the attack was totally over.

Ridiculous.

I'll highlight the part for you that did not happen.

 

[shemp]

Oh sure, you just got violently attacked and slammed to the ground, but the attack was totally over.

Ridiculous.

You're no fun. Logger was better at this.

 

[angrysoba]

Oh sure, you just got violently attacked and slammed to the ground, but the attack was totally over.

Ridiculous.

When such things happen, there should be appropriate punishment.

A fine for a parking violation.
Charged with assault.

No problem there, the old guy could easily take the number plate of the car.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The victim was backing away with his hands at his side when the man pulled the trigger.

If the shooter was in fear for his life, then he must lead a fearful existence. If you think your life would have been in danger in such a situation, then I would not want you to be armed, because that fear was not reasonable. His life was no longer in any reasonable danger. One might argue he was justified in pulling gun out, but once he did the victim's body language changed, he began to move back.

I don't care what the police think, the fear this shooter felt was not reasonable. He should be prosecuted.

Yup, I see why TBD refused to post a link to the video. It's quite clear, the police have it wrong, they need to charge with Murder 2 and let the court sort it out. There is no way a reasonable person would have feared for their lives in this situation.

 

[Ziggurat]

Go **** yourself Florida.

I don't think you really understand self-defense law, and "stand your ground" in particular. Florida law isn't as different as commonly portrayed. For an analysis from an actual legal expert on the topic:
Law of Self Defense VIDEO: Just because it’s lawful to present the gun doesn’t mean it’s lawful to press the trigger
Law of Self Defense: VIDEO: Shove-Shoot Case Sheriff’s Statement

 

[Ziggurat]

If the law says 'no matter what'

It doesn't.

 

[This is The End]

Edited by jsfisher: 

...SNIP... Edited for compliance with rule 0 of the Membership Agreement

In any other state in the USA the man would be in jail right now. Except maybe Texas. And that is a maybe.

So, logically, if every other state does not have this ****, then Florida law IS different.

 

[lionking]

Yet another thread where a hotheaded idiot with a gun will find defenders despite his inexcusable actions.

What a hero! Zimmerman-like qualities. Starts abusing and bullying a young woman who commits a minor misdemeanour, suffers a reasonable reaction from her partner, kills him.

NRA has yet another poster boy.

 

[Brainster]

Yet another thread where a hotheaded idiot with a gun will find defenders despite his inexcusable actions.

What a hero! Zimmerman-like qualities. Starts abusing and bullying a young woman who commits a minor misdemeanour, suffers a reasonable reaction from her partner, kills him.

NRA has yet another poster boy.

Look at the video. The dead guy blindsides the shooter. Seems like a classic case of stand your ground, except that the shooter couldn't stand his ground, he had already been knocked over.

From other comments, it sounds like the shooter is something of a handicapped parking spot activist; I'm assuming since neither of the articles I read on the incident mention it explicitly, the car in question did not have a handicapped plate.